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Misreported, misconstrued, mistranslated, misunderstood : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 23/2/2007

One can't help but to compare the barrage of abuse faced by the Sheik Taj Al-Din Hilali (perhaps deservedly) with the indifference to Professor Raphael Israeli's offensive remarks.

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One thing, I don't respond to dirty lies like those of DAVID BOAZ here, BUT THERE ARE NO SUCH CHAPTERS, BOOKS OR HADITHS YOU HAVE QUOTED.

The truth, your blood boils just the way many jews are! We know that.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU DAVID SPOIL THE NAMES OF MANY JEWS!
Posted by galty, Saturday, 24 February 2007 1:38:51 PM
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galty: The Jews parasites? - what a load of tosh - sounds like anti-Semitic dribbling from you sport. Israel is a democracy other than Malaysia and Indonesia which are both sort-of-democracies what other islamic nation is free and democratic?
By the way I have not heard about Israeli suicide bombers lately, nor even Christian suicide bombers either. But I have heard about many gutless islamic suicide bombers who even stoop in their total insanity to blowing up fellow islamics yes men, women,children and babies, a pack of demented psychopaths. Regards, numbat
Posted by numbat, Saturday, 24 February 2007 1:44:44 PM
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There was a letter in a daily paper recently ,written by a devout Muslim who considered the wishes of those wanting to bring in Sharia as almost ridiculous.
He/she stated that Australian laws contained all that was good in sharia,respect for each other,freedom of speech and religion,the equality of women ect ect. That there was no need to bring in any change whatever.
Now if only all the Muslims were so sensible,there would be need for forums like this. And we in this blessed country could live in peace as one people.
Posted by mickijo, Saturday, 24 February 2007 2:33:04 PM
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I have always maintained that (all) religion is no more than a game akin to Dungeons and Dragons. The difference is becoming clear, religion is a game of Dungeons and Dragons with the added dimension of team loyalty. Religion is a game of Dungeons and Dragons played with the mentality of soccer or sports hooligans.

Like sports hooligans, god believers take their game into public and bother everybody else who have no interest in their childish games.

Like sports hooligans, god believers pose a real threat to civilised society. Unlike the problem of sports hooligans the problem of religion is not controlled by governments. The religious seem to be left to create anarchy and disruption on the premise of their strong belief in their own delusion and the tenacity of superstitious beliefs.

It appears the religious are protected by the infiltration of corruption the same way a legal officer may turn a blind eye to a sports hooligan because they support the same club.

One thing is for sure , all governments must do something about this growing problem we are having with religion running amuck in public.
Posted by West, Saturday, 24 February 2007 3:08:28 PM
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Dear Galty
if you’re head is going to explode, please don’t do it here, the ‘shrapnel’ of brain tissue will splatter all over the rest of us.

Now.. in the spirit of grace, I’ll overlook that you called me a LIAR and described my most accurate quotes as “dirty lies”.

But you get yourself into real trouble by claiming that the chapters etc don’t exist.. when they do.
see links below. (Islamic sources)

Please note, the structure of my post was as follows: I took the News article, picked out the specific items listed, then I showed how those things were either done by Mohammed himself, or, are encouraged in the Quran.

1/ Beheadings.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.012

2/ Mutilation of prisoners.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/016.smt.html#016.4131

3/ Assasinations.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4436

4/ Mass Casualty attacks.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4437

(I could have mentioned the much more serious genocide of the Banu Qurayza in this connection so I’ll add that now.)
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.026 (refers to Qurayza Jews)

Hadith on same subject: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html
(Scroll to Number 362) Concerning the Jewish Qurayza tribe.

Narrated Ibn Umar:
[....He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims]

Discussion:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5195
"The massacre of the Banu Qurayza was a barbarous deed which cannot be justified by any reason of political necessity…the indiscriminate slaughter of the whole tribe cannot be recognized otherwise than as an act of monstrous cruelty…" (Muir)

According to [the Muslim chronicler] Baladhuri (d. 892 C.E.), 40,000 Jews lived in Caesarea alone at the Arab conquest, after which all trace of them is lost.

KENNY.. please, for once look at context of the Biblical accounts of judgments and wars. there is NO....repeat NO general command or example suggesting Christians should attack anyone. If you believe there IS, then quote it, and show by full context that it is valid as specifically "Christian" practice for today. There is no Biblical concept of “Christian” war, only ‘war’ by the State.
In Islam, as I’ve repeatedly pointed out, Sharia LAW is based on Mohammeds example and the Quran and Hadith.. today in 2007
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 24 February 2007 6:57:40 PM
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Pfwhooo Irfan is this Intellectual dialectical jihad on Linguistics or is it a dialogue reinvention reverse inference, or are you on medication.
Professor Israeli is in town (Sydney) Irfan, be careful of what you say;

I had to read it twice, it sounds more like a Trad Machiavellian tragic moment that it often slumbers into.
Posted by All-, Saturday, 24 February 2007 10:30:28 PM
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