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Misreported, misconstrued, mistranslated, misunderstood : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 23/2/2007

One can't help but to compare the barrage of abuse faced by the Sheik Taj Al-Din Hilali (perhaps deservedly) with the indifference to Professor Raphael Israeli's offensive remarks.

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If recent history is anything to to by, Israeli was 'right', not miscontrued.
If the Quran and hadith are anything to go by, Israeli was 'right' not misunderstood.
If the actions of Mohammed founder of Islam as recorded in the hadith and Sunnah are anything to go by, then Israeli was right on the money.

The lack of reaction to Israeli's speech is attributable to it's correctness. When Muslim communities reach a certain critical mass, (I would consider this the point where they can raise a few thousand for a rowdy and violent demo, or can embarras political parties with their political clout.) then.. at this point they will begin to ask for social concessions..

-A MUSLIM PARLIAMENT will be established (UK) in parallel to the main one.
-"Sharia law"... will be called for.
-Widespread violent demonstrations will occur against those who 'insult' the prophet of Islam.
-"Immigration Restrictions loosened"
-"UK will be dominated by Islam whether you like it or not" ! (Abu Izzadeen)
-Financial laws will be changed to cater for 'Islamic financial products'
-Butcher shops in Cronulla will be selling only HALAL meat (refer Jolanda)
-Fringe groups like Hizb Ut Tahrir will run a seminar on bringing in a World Islamic Caliphate and will be cheered on by hundreds in Sydney
-Sheikh Faiz will influence 4000 young people with his obscene DVDs about martydom and jihad.
-Hume Council will remove ham sandwiches from the council menu for 13% of the residents who are Muslim.
-11 men in Sydney are alledged to have planned terror attacks.
-13 men in Melbourne are likewise charged.
-Burial laws will be changed to allow 'Islamic Burial'.
-Thuggish Muslims will make videos suggesting Australia is under new Management.

Hilali's remarks simply confirm Israeli's allegations.

In isolation, they would not seem like much, but taken together there is quite an impact.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 23 February 2007 6:35:34 PM
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Maybe Irfan should revert and consider becoming a Christian again.

How is it "the arm chair Nazis" talk of freedom of speech while Muslims preach murder for the infidels who dare question the Koran?

It all boils down to a numbers game.We are constantly told of the few extremists in the Muslim Faith yet proportionally they have more in this catagory than all the other religions put together.

Irfan walks both sides of the fence and I don't trust him.In true lawyer fashion he uses selected facts and equivocation to push his barrow of a harmless,victimised Islam.We won't buy it Irfan because Islam is poison to our cherished democracies.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 23 February 2007 8:20:02 PM
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"Raphael Israeli: Muslim apologist, thy name is coward"
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21264602-7583,00.html

Irfan, I think the above article is directed towards Muslim apologists like you. Oh, and you mistranslated your last quote, it should read:

"It is clearly visible in the current environment to see things about Muslims that you simply cannot see about anyone else".

Irfan's display of feminine victimhood is just a distraction. Here is the real problem ...

"Western and Muslim concepts of honor create an unbridgeable cultural divide:
http://aussiethule.blogspot.com/2006/05/western-and-muslim-concepts-of-honor.html

In addition to honor and shame ... comes the Muslim sense of manhood or manliness, which involves being capable of great violence and mayhem in defense of the family name or his religion. Our own concepts of tolerance seem hopelessly weak and pathetic to a culture such as this, and in no way makes us palatable to the Muslim male, who sees only weakness ... We would be wise to take into account these cultural characteristics, and not make the mistake that the compassionate liberal makes -- which is that given enough understanding and tolerance, the other fellow will see your point of view, and come in the end, to be as tolerant as you. In a sense, this is the illogic of tolerance, it assumes that tolerance is the logical endpoint of all understanding and culture. It is not."

Stop Muslim immigration, and ban the hijab and burqa.
Posted by online_east, Friday, 23 February 2007 8:21:11 PM
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SMH this morning.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/thais-sense-of-self-threatened-by-insurgency/2007/02/23/1171734017522.html

[BEHEADINGS, mutilated Buddhist monks, assassinations of secular teachers, mass-casualty attacks - the Islamist insurgency raging in Thailand's south is getting more barbaric and effective with each passing month.]

Lets look at these one by one.

1/ BEHEADINGS. Quran 8:12 When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

2/ MUTILATIONS Hadith Muslim Book 16 number 4131
He (mohammed) commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.

3/ ASSASINATIONS. (of enemies of Islam) Ka'b Bin Al Ashraf. Jewish chief(just one among many)
Muslim Book 019, Number 4436:
It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger.

4/ MASS CASUALTY ATTACKS. Khaiber. (notice how the people were just going about their business, though they had an alliance with another tribe not allied to Mohammed.. just like Australia has the Anzus treaty.. in our security interests !)

Hadith Muslim Book 19 Number 4437

The people of the town had just come out from (their houses) to go about their jobs. They said (in surprise): Muhammad has come. We captured Khaibar by force.

CLEAR, UNMISTAKABLE, UNAMBIGUIOUS, IN CONTEXT, FAITHFUL TO HISTORY.

"All-" also reports large numbers of Turks applying for gun licences.

Kevin Andrews... are you reading ? I hope to God you are.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 24 February 2007 9:57:18 AM
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"I ask Roosevelt, I ask the American people: Are you prepared to receive in your midst these well-poisoners of the German people and the universal spirit of Christianity? "
Hitler Interview in the New York Staatszeitung, 1933.

DB the bible is full of killing in the name of god, including women and kids and you know it.The Quran is just as hateful and loving as the bible. It always strikes me christian are such a diverse group not even beening able to agree on such things as whether JC was god or not. Yet for some reason they thing Islam a monoculture? It realy is case of ignorance and sometimes outright lies. People should be judge on how they act not what they say they believe in.
Posted by Kenny, Saturday, 24 February 2007 11:17:25 AM
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Great insight Irfan. First, You've certainly hit the nail on the head. You have also reminded the arrogant boot lickers and tailwaggers like government leaders who dak for cover when a jew pops ups their dirty mouths towards muslims. And you have certainly explored the reality of arrogant jews like the so called prof who? who thinks jews will get where Muslims have been thousands of years ago while they were living as parasites in other people's lands. By far not all jews are as arrogant as those who commented on your article with fury and barrage of filth and gabbage but as well those that instigate indicent remarks and racism as many jews are.

Second, the truth is that if a parasite feels threatened because you have tried to share the broth, that parasite will definitely be rattled and fight with venomous words of war and even insitigate other primitives to do the dirty business for them! The reality is that the world today is unsafe because of such parasites who call every other person's land as the so called promised land.

Thirdly, condemned are the politicians who are full of arrogance and racism towards muslims.

Finally, my messege to them is, wash your faces and then look in the mirror, straight.
Mahmood
Posted by galty, Saturday, 24 February 2007 1:27:33 PM
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