Irfan: You are attempting to defend the undefendable where there are moslems there's bloody brutal cowardly killings including (dis)honour murders public hangings and stonings especially to the victims of rape. In Palestine yet another truce has been signed and almost immediately broken. When someone marries, dies, passes wind out come the clowns with their kalashnikovs and fire into the air. And these things as well as be-headings after atrocious torture all by these adherents of the religion of love and peace are happening TODAY - NOT in the distant past but TODAY! I would much rather not have these brutalities and stupidities in the fair land of Oz thank you! You rightfully say that the wonderful caring loving moslems never slew six million Jews but irfan the leading moslems of the day were one with Hitler. As well there were moslem brigades in the German S/S.The reason moslems did not commit this atrocity was because they have never had the opportunity yet the moslem clowns in the Mid-east say over and over again that they intend to exterminate all Jews in Israel.
By the way you never answered the points in my other post of the 23 February, NOT one but you couldn't eh? Instead you waffle on about Bush converting to pagan islam then in comes trtl and using his vast intellect talks about pretzels - funny people you pagan moslems eh irfan? Regards, numbat

TNT thanx for your kind words.. glad to see SOMEone is detecting a tiny bit of warmth :) I'll send young Pericles and F.H. to you for some much needed therapy.. all they see is 'hate'.

HORUS.. well said.. (the List).

To me IRF any 'similar' list to the Holocaust is irrelevant. I am basically only interested in the foundations.. the founders.. the cornerstones of the various faiths. From that..all else becomes clear.

If Pablo Escobar had peddled a religion I can well imagine that huge numbers of people in Medayin for whom he was a generous benefactor would instantly become his evangelists going hither and thither to promote him as a modern prophet or saviour. Of course, they would not mention 2 things.
1/ His benevolence was based on brutality and drug money.
2/ If you cross him, he will kill you, without mercy.

Now.. this is where you will have to forgive me for repeating what I've been saying all along.

A) JESUS... THE MESSIAH.
neither by teaching or example never engaged in
-killings,
-raids,
-war,
-forming armies,
-executing enemies,
-declaring states.

But he DID.
-Heal the sick
-Give sight to the Blind
-Raise the dead.
-promised to forgive sin and proclaimed the Gospel of Salvation.

So, I find my heart reaching out to Him without the slightest doubt or hesitation and embracing Him as He is reported to be, "Our Saviour"
"But these (signs) are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that in believing you may have life in His name" John 20:31

B) MOHAMMED did all the things listed above which Jesus did not,
and produced a book which authorizes:
-Beating of wives (4.34)
-Sexual abuse of captive slave women. (23:5-6)
-Prostitution in the name of 'temporary marraige'. (4:24)
-Provides 'blank cheque' for unlimited sexual encounters for himself "any woman who offers herself" in temporary or permanent marraige) 33:50

YVONNE.. is all this making more sense than the Bible mate ? you need to look 'CLOSE....ly'

Boaz... you're endlessly pointing out how much better christianity is than Islam.

Kindly address these sections of Leviticus:

20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood [shall be] upon him.
20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with [another] man's wife, [even he] that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood [shall be] upon them.
20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it [is] wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.

Cont'd

Oh please TRTL.

I'll save Boaz the trouble of having to tell us all yet again.

The Bible is to be read as metaphor - you cannot take what it says literally.

Try to remember this, it will save us all a lot of discomfort.

It is only the scriptures from other religions that have to be read literally.

Irfan, Today (Monday, 12 March 2007 11:42:38 AM)

"Back to the topic. The anti-Semitic hatred which led to the Holocaust is now being transferred from Jews to Muslims".

Irfan you know this is BULLDUST. Go back and read Kenan Malik's excellent essay, "The Islamophobia Myth" (http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/islamophobia_prospect.html) and stop believing in codswallop.

Also I noticed an excellent post about a week ago by Savage Pencil (Monday, 5 March 2007 10:27:12 AM). I don't think that you have answered him, have you?

Irfan, Today (Monday, 12 March 2007 11:42:38 AM)

"Back to the topic. The anti-Semitic hatred which led to the Holocaust is now being transferred from Jews to Muslims".

Irfan you know this is BULLDUST. Go back and read Kenan Malik's excellent essay, "The Islamophobia Myth" (http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/islamophobia_prospect.html) and stop believing in codswallop.

Also I noticed an excellent post about a week ago by Savage Pencil (Monday, 5 March 2007 10:27:12 AM). I don't think that you have answered him/her, have you?