Hey, just because something doesnt exist doesnt mean it isnt real. We are surrounded (figuritively speaking) with real things that dont exist - no abstracts actually exist yet many abstracts are not only undeniably real they are critical to life.

For example all 'patterns' are abstracts, they do not actually consist of anything - the objects that make up the pattern exist but the pattern itself is independent of that as is demonstrated by people who can recognize objects that make up a pattern but cannot see the pattern itself. Ironically we only recognise patterns, which means we only recognise things that dont actually exist.

Then there are the phenomena which are simply absences of things like; darkness, silence, emptiness, cold etc these things are absences of things - how could an absence of existence actually exist? And yet darkness, silence and cold are real are they not? Cold is only the absence of heat but it can kill you cant it? So just because it doesnt actually exist doesnt mean it cant kill you and you cant get any more real than that.

I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that the literal "punch up" at the Council of Nicea was not between Arius and St Athanasius, but between Arius and St Nicholas of Myrra (aka Santa Claus). A recent examination of the bones of St Nicholas in Bari even showed that at some point his nose had been broken! Just thought you might be interested.

Here we are, staring down the barrel of serious planetary degradation brought about primarily by the excess population created by religious fanatics, and there are still people who dish up this pap.

Get real you lot, and wake up to what is happening under your noses. We are in deep trouble because of all this religous crap so start looking at what we can do to save this world we love and all the other poor beings that live on it.

We humans are in control of our destiny and everything elses so step out of this etherial snot and do something constructive. Bend your minds to saving "God's Creation" from our excesses instead of quibbling about antediluvian squabbles about three headed deities.

Wake up before there is nothing left except religion. Look at the countries where these religions started. They are all barren wastelands full of aimless starving people and a few goats. Doesn't this ring a few bells in the back of your minds somewhere?

For all those going on about world population. I dare say that if you had the courage of your convictions..... we wouldn't be blessed with your post. Kool-Aid anyone? Get your tickets now! The spaceship for Hale Bopp is leaves shortly.

Good article Sells,

"In the same way we relate to persons in a natural way and it is also natural to imagine a personal God. But it is not natural to conceive of a person who is described as three persons in one, this has to be taught"

Your challenge with the above statement is that it breaks the first 2 commandments of the Old Testament: your God is one, do not relate God to images. You are trying to teach 'one' and 'Trinity' in the same time which may appear to be contradictory. It would make more sense to teach one or the other but insisting on theology that sits on the fence between monotheism and polytheism challenges human logic.

Peace,

T

*Aqvarivs*
The Church of The Mystic Christ would prob b classified as being: "Left of Main" in the view of the medicos & perhaps some of us wld b diagnosed as "suffering" from 1 form of pathology or another however ...
(It also would perhaps come as no surprise 2 some that we have additionally been dubbed the *Church of the Fruit Loop* (HaHaHa))

Notwithstanding the above, we ackowledge the *Entities* of the Spiritual World but we just don't worship them, such as the "Nature Spirits" - VOTE 1 *Browny* 4 PRESIDENT (Solar, Wind, BioMass, PooWater, RainWater Tanks etc !YAY!)

To continue, we trace our history back many centuries & indeed *WEST,* often have been the times when the so-called religious have persecuted all & sundry, which has included us in more recent times for "given" reasons such as having a Female Head, but we don't c that as a reason 2 throw the "Baby out with the bath water."

Further, we believe that the *Cosmic Christ* was fully manifest on the cross & literally infused the whole of Humanity with the essence of her/his/it's Being as "He" bled, giving us all a necessary evolutionary leg up, with the promise that we ALL may grow into *Luv Poppets* ourSelves.

It necessarily follows that the taking of "Life" is forbidden & thus we like to distinguish ourSelves from the war criminals like g.w.bush Turkey et al.

...Adam...