p.s. Anyone care to define "islamofascism" ?

mylakhrion, CJ Morgan, I used to think as you did. I thought what we were seeing with Muslims was merely a "first generation" phenomenon.

The evidence points the other way. It indicates that subsequent generations of Muslim migrants are more radical than their parents or grandparents.

The opinion poll cited here is but ONE example that documents this trend.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/29/nmuslims29.xml

There is a more fundamental issue. Islam is not an ethnicity or race. It is a belief system. No one in Australia is forced to be a Muslim.

Is there any reason why the tenets of Islam should be exempted from critical examination; an examination that goes beyond what Muslim spin doctors and apologists say; an examination that looks at what is actually taught in Islamic schools and madrassahs across the world?

I have attempted this to the best of my ability. My conclusion. Hatred for Jews and, to a lesser extent, hatred for anybody non-Muslim, is part of the warp and weft of mainstream contemporary Islam. Of Islam 2007 if you like.

Perhaps Islam 2007 is a corruption of some better, purer form of Islam. But Islam 2007 is what we confront.

The usual riposte from apologists is that I could make similar remarks about, say, Christianity or Judaism. To some extent that is true. But, in practice, most Australian Christians and Jews in 2007 are quite tolerant. Among Australian Muslims in 2007, and among Muslims globally, an extreme, intolerant version of Islam seems to be on the rise.

I am not claiming that ALL the problems between Muslims and kafirs in Australia occur because of the nature of Islam. But some of them do. Non-Muslim Asian immigrants seem to have much less difficulty settling into Australia than Muslims so it can't all be due to Aussie racism. Some of it must be due to Islam.

The following oft-quoted hadith is definitely part of mainstream Islam 2007.

"..Then the rocks and tree would call: oh Muslim, oh servant of God! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him..."

Defenders of mass immigration of people from clearly incompatible cultures (Islam, Sudan) scream xenophobia at anyone who dares be critical of such madness. But it would appear that xenophobia does not fear or hatred of foreigners, it means just shut the hell up. Meanwhile immigration gets ramped up every year. muslim only toilets are being created, and severely drunk (and stoned) sudanese drive cars into primary schools, rape kids in playgrounds, slit the throats of grandmothers. But denial is the game of our privileged members of our society (the chardy socialists and the Johnny Howard team - both play the masses as fools) on the moral highground. An ugly (very ugly) backlash will occur one day against all this multicultural nonsense, pushed by morons sitting high in their ivory towers distanced from reality.

davo your a twat,
why use such vastly isolated, no not isolated but one off incidents as a means to describe one culture of people, what kind of rationality is that.. "pushed by morons sitting high in their ivory towers distanced from reality" yes thats exactly what your guilty of

Stephany: I'm sorry if I didn’t make it clear- the biggest issue exists in the SECOND generation, not the first. It is the second generation that we need to reach and support; just as it is this generation that idiots like Hilaly are appealing to. The British experience is the same as ours- if we can help the children of the immigrant generation past their alienation, then we can be reasonably assured that they will become, and raise, well-adjusted members of our community.

Davo- man, I don’t know where to start. Mass immigration? How many people makes a ‘mass’? Approx 140,000 people immigrated to Australia in 2004-5 (according to the DIMIA site), with only about 13,000 coming from Middle East and North Africa. By far the major source of immigrants was from England and New Zealand, with other Europeans making up fair chunk of the remainder. Somehow, I don’t think we are in any danger of being swamped by Muslim immigrants just yet

And before anyone spears off into a denunciation of immigration: who of you over the age of 40 want some form of support as you limp off to a ripe old age of 80-90?

I see a few hands up (or maybe out). So you do??

Well, I’d be thinking a little more about embracing immigration then if I were you. There is in interesting study produced by the ABS, comparing Japan to Australia (http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/7d12b0f6763c78caca257061001cc588/fcdefb9501c34275ca2571b0000f1a9e!OpenDocument). Japan is aging at a far greater rate than us for one primary reason- we have immigration, they do not. If the baby boomers expect to have a large enough population paying taxes for the hospitals and other amenities you are going to need then immigration gets the thumbs up!

The only denial going on here is that practiced by minds too small to understand that you can’t sit back and expect everything to remain the same. If you are concerned about segregated toilets then get out there and fight it- the law exists for us as it does for them Don’t expect every one else to carry the can for you

I thought this might be of interest.
A little something for Morris Iemma.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=bca2b544-518e-4163-a29d-4fe8c23d1910&k=95849

And just one more reason people are fed up.
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=164742007