If a lion as a species is so closely related genetically that there is virtually no difference between them then why do male lions go out of their way to prevent other lions from mating with their females. They obviously instinctively know that their offspring are genetically closer to them than another lion.

Humans although they may share much the same DNA with other humans are also aware that those they have most recently bred amongst are more closely linked to them.
This idea that some scientists are trying to push to stop war among mankind that the genetic connection with people we haven’t bred with for a thousand years or not at all is no different to people we have recently bred with is obviously flawed.

Rainier,
What a dissappointment you are, at least Logic and Mercurius attempted to argue their point of vieww. You have no arguement so you launch a personal attack. You first labeled me a "monoculturist xenophobic" and now you say I am "racist". Well let all see you substanciate those claims.

Also, if you consider Australia a multicultural society then show where my assesment that we are simply multi-racial is incorrect.

In case you have lost the thread of the debate, I will say it again.

We are a multi-racial society and not multicultural. We only allow aspects of other cultures that do not transgress our basic laws, values and social standards. Therefore we should not claim to be multicultural. In doing so we are fooling ourselves and deceiveing others. We should be upfront and honest, especially with prospective migrants.

Multiculturalism is a theorecical ideology that in practice is a farce. The sooner we begin a policy of integration the more harmonious our community will be.

You are very good at the odd snide remark, now let us see your debating skills.

Part I

Hey Braindrain,

you said:

"Although the west has ripped-off a little technology (Chinese Gunpowder) that also was not what i was saying. I meant the West rips off the third world (and ensures they stay third world in the process) by consuming their resources, including labour, without giving FAIR compensation. We get benefits, companies make huge profits, they get to stay in poverty and are paid a pittance of the nett wealth. Slavery was a minute fraction of the ripoff."
and...

"The Real motivation for your millions migrating? to where the Money is!"

First, name any major invention that has not come out of post-enlightenment culture? And by that I include anyone, of any race or background, who grew up and was influenced by a European enlightenment culture and so learned how to be inquisitive, open to new ideas etc, scientific and inventive.
Give us some proof that the West "steals" all the resources from the third world. Also, who gets "huge benefits"?, China?, Japan? or South Korea or even Taiwan? How much of the exploitation that happens in China for instance (and I use China as an example because they produce most of the worlds basic factory goods) is for the benefit of the West as compared to the benefit of China do you think? Why do you think China grows so rapidly and the their poverty reduces so rapidly (although not fast enough); why do you think South Korea and Japan are successful 'once backwater Asian nations' (to use bigoted imperialist jargon) now, but there are many other nations such as North Korea, most of Africa and the Middle East that are poor, divided and weak? To put it all down to the first thing you see is childishly simplistic. 'Oh, me see a rich man next to a poor man so me think rich rich man take from poor man'! You idiot!

continued....

Part II

Why do you think that at the time Columbus found the Americas, the Spanish and English nations and cultures were just as civilised and rich, but now their respective colonies show what I am talking about. All the Spanish/Portuguese colonies are corrupt and weak while all the British colonies are peacefule, stable places of wealth.
Oh yeh, and the FACT that slavery (not including that that still happens today all over the non-Western world) was 98.8% committed by non-Atlantic countries, but that those such as yourself think otherwise, only further strengthens the belief that those such as myself hold, that contrary to your greatest fears, you and your ilk are bred and trapped by the anti-American, anti-Anglo Hollywood mentality. That's right, you think that the USA is God and ALL of earth's history is just the history of the British empire, meaning that any other culture or peoples are nothing and not worth even acknowledging as equals or even there. Yes buddy, this is what you think deep down in your little subconscious, racist mind of yours!

Oh yeh, and this is real antiBigot, my brother Benjamin was just using my account before.

Braindrain, Mercurious, Steve Madden (wasn't that a gridiron game on PC a few years back?)

I take your repeated non-answers to mean that you indeed can't show how my assertion that western values are SUPERIOR to non-western values.

Steve Madden trys to counter my point with evidence to support my point, thank you, no wonder you're all so angry!

On your link it shows WESTERNERS who help the victims of NON-WESTERN slavery. Now, unless you can find a site where Texans own blacks, you are on my side.

Again, just because it's mostly Muslims who traffic in slavery (western world involvement less than 2% of world market back then, 0% now) doesn't mean I am anti-Muslim, as you can just as easily find African or Asian slave traffickers.

The point is, they are all NON-WESTERN.

Braindrain laughably claims that migrants only come here for money, and this comment shows he doesn't even read his adversary's posts, as I already answered this.

Can you show me where third worlders are flocking to Japan, Saudi Arabia, other gulf states - which are all very wealthy? Of course you can't.

I can show you though that many Asian migrants go there for work and are held captive, raped, not paid. It's so bad the U.N have been pressuring Arab nations to consider Asians human beings!

That point was your weakest yet Braindrain.

No wonder you far leftists with your slogans of "bigot" or "supremacist" - even though I've showed it's you who are racist by bringing genetics into this debate with your vile "ancestors with mud on their faces" remark.

Thankfully, most posts see this.

Argument finished, Braindrain must have been the one who was always left off the debating team, although to be fair, you had no chance showing that western values are inferior to non-western values, and so at least you...well, no, you didn't try.

I'll answer one aspect of Madden's post that I didn't before, about me suffering his wrath for questioning the loyalty of non-western migrants, who don't join the police, fire, ambulance, military, and especially volunteers...

...On an individual case by case I completely agree that one can't question loyalty, but when one notices specific trends across the board, I think it's justified.

I'm very surprised by your claim that when you visited the Defence force to gain entry, a commendable action, that you seen those from these particular groups everywhere.

I'm not doubting you, and it's possible that on a given day there were some, but when the head of army intake says that only a handful applied this year, one tends to listen to him more than one person's experience.

But to call this racist is bizarre, it's simply factual. Is one racist to point out also that Asians become doctors at a very significant rate?

Of course not, and by you saying this earlier, you have made my point for me, thank you.

Again, no wonder you are so angry, your evidence is used by me to prove my case!

By agreeing to this, you are saying that non-westerners aren't discriminated against in the workforce, and indeed, they do dominate the health professions.

While one can argue that the motives in most cases is money and not an ethical affection for society, that is a different argument, although easily proven.

How can you not agree then, that if they don't join the vocations I describe above, that is, the community minded type jobs, this means they care little for our society?

One can show this is the case when one considers their insular culture, the fact that they all live in the same areas (Cabramatta Fairfield, Epping - which both have shocking levels of random violence - the type of which where 30 rats bash one person, often stab) and also that in 1994, 1/3 of all health professionals in the Cabramatta-Fairfield area were involved in the largest Medicare scam in our nations history, one can form fair opinions of this society.

Again, your comments strengthen my case.

Thank you.