Obviously, I know it’s not obvious so you won't be able to see it until someone explains it carefully to you.

Lissen up!

You carefully and cleverly (for your current level of ability) created ONE very specific example through which you tried (alas failed - you really do need someone to teach you about science and experimental method of Hypothesis testing) to explain to us dummies about those '50 genes' (relax! I understand you just gave us the 'General Idea' and it’s not the actual number that’s important to your theme you developed) being the 'really important' ones determining a person's race.

The problem you simply cannot grasp is that however many number of individual genes you think it actually takes to define 'race' sufficiently for your purposes, ALL members of what you believe (falsely) you can identify as belonging to just one race will show more DIFFERENCES in those particular 'racially characteristic' genes (the 50 in your case) BETWEEN THEIR OWN 'race' and more SIMILARITES (in those 50) with members of other 'races' thus completely disproving your own unique brand of 'logic'.

I'll say it more clearly - Genetics shows you to be just plain WRONG! Good attempt at theory - completely inadequate when trying to match it with Reality though.

I repeat – it’s NOT Obvious (dare i say, Black and White?) but as you grow up you may learn, if you keep an open mind, that only the very stupid believe the world is entirely obvious. The more you look, the more you find hidden in it. (There exists an infinite variety of 'grey'). Learn to look beyond the bleedin’ obvious. That helps to eliminate both personal bias and stupidity in one go.

Back to your drawing board, I'm afraid (and use facts others can and have verified scientifically, not just your own opinion, as to what makes a 'race').

Are you familiar with the concept of an Optical Illusion? Race is nature's Optical Illusion... it is more in the eye-of-the-beholder than in reality. All is NOT as it seems to our fallible human mi

Banjo,

I’ve formally studied and researched the underlying premise of your arguments for years. Not that this means jack here. But it should tell you that there are ideas and theories that you have NOT explored or don’t want to take seriously because you already ‘think’ know it all. You don’t. Why persist in believing your knowledge in this area is optimal and unique?

When and if you become much more informed about these issues I’ll be happy to debate you anywhere/anytime. Fundamentally, we are not discussing race/cultural theories – we are discussing your denial of the broader knowledge - scientific, socio- psychological facts about racism and culture.

Your use of culture is particularly problematic in that you appear to think it’s biologically determined. This essentialism in belief underpins and informs how you discuss race and culture as interchangeable but conveniently different when it suits your own prejudices.

For instance if you met me for real you would instantly recognise that I am ‘racially’ different from you but then also familiar with your culture. (whatever it is) This does not mean I’m culturally the same, it just means I have had to adapt while you have the privilege of never having to adapt on a daily basis.
And that’s why you’re a racist Banjo, you don’t understand your own white privilege.

This privilege means that you can:
• Arrange to be in the company of people of your ‘race’ most of the time.
• Or do not have to educate your children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
• feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social

My point is that people from different cultures appear to be clans oriented by those who do not recognise their own clan orientation as a ethnic culture – such as whiteness. Understand fully your own before you proclaim on others?

Can you really tell peoples race or culture by looking at them? You appear to think you can you can. Do this sorting exercise and see how you go – http://www.pbs.org/race/002_SortingPeople/002_00-home.htm

benjamin and your undeniably misnamed 'brother' antibigot.

You latest rants shows you for who you truly are inside, even when you refuse to see it yourselves - Intelligent people can.

You have both proven yourself incapable of understanding what is written here and why your myopic vision is reviled by most who can be bothered reading it anymore.

I have responded 'appropriately' to you in my discussion on values but i shall, from now on - in what you will only ever be able to perceeive as weakness in me and strength to your closed mind's view of your own supremacy (you claim you are an ethnicist supremacist and I am a 'Supremacist Islamist' or left wing loonie. You only see things in Black and White and are incapable of appreciating or understanding my moderatism) - ignore the pathetic whinings and bigotry of your posts. I had hoped you capable of listening CAREFULLY to rational discussion, you let me down badly. Worse you let yourself down. (Confirmation Bias)

There are none so blind as will not see, blinded as they are by their own hatred to wisdom in the words of others who cannot share their bias, as you continuously and corruptly and inaccurately see in mine.

Goodbye. ( I'm not going anywhere - don't get your hopes up.)

Rainier,
What utter garbage you write. Have you really studied anything?

There are no underlying premises or ideas and theories on my part, but there well may be on your part.

I am a practical person and I deal in facts wherever possible.

Fact 1. Australia is a multi-racial society. (undisputed)
fact 2. Australia does not allow many cultural practises of other cultures. (undisputed)

Conclusion. Australia is multi-racial and NOT multicultural.
We are deceiving others and fooling ourselves to conclude otherwise.

See it is that simple. Race does not come into it at all.

You state that I APPEAR to think that culture is biologically determined. And, I APPEAR to think that I can tell peoples race or culture by looking at them. Where in hell did you get these jems from? You must be smoking some powerfull stuff to reach those conclusions. Dream on!

You have no arguments to counter my assesment so now you try to change the subject into a debate about race. This race debate might suit you better, but I will not chase you strawman, as i have said before I could not care less about anyones ethnicity. It is a persons willingness to be part of our society that is important.

Integration will push aside the divisiveness of multiculturalism.

Brain Drain..

I think gender too is nature’s optical illusion, as I am more closely genetically related to my “sister” then I am to a north Korean male, Therefore gender to cannot exist!

Listen up... these are truly some interesting factual points, that I do believe will change your “optical illusion” theory, to race is reality.

What do you think of this fact in the context of your opinion “Are you familiar with the concept of an Optical Illusion? Race is nature's Optical Illusion...”

Dawkins states “A stunning Conclusion is that, for particular genes, you are more closely related to some chimpanzees than to some humans. And I am closer to some chimpanzees than to you (or to your chimpanzees)-‘The ancestors tale pg55’,
Think about it....
This “stunning conclusion” still allows the statement that “species exist”.

Like Dawkins quote, even though some of my genes are more closely related to a chimpanzees genes then to a fellow humans genes, species still exist (and is not an “optical illusion” but infact reality, species very much do exist)

And the same thing applies for race, some of your Anglo-Saxon genes are more closely related to, say some Sudanese genes then to your fellow (mine) Anglo-Saxons genes, but the same thing applies as in the above example and race too does exist (and is not an “optical illusion” but infact reality). He to (Dawkins) says race’s exist (i.e. Tasmanians 13,000 yrs isolation),

Some more points...

Another point “optical illusion” referring to just appearance. Well just quickly “races produce different chemicals that produce different smells (non optical illusion) difference in race. Chinese, Japanese have an underdeveloped cheek muscle, due to their language evolution that did not require its development, the result of which is the inability to correctly pronounce R’s (no matter how their brought up- (another optical illusion hay)).
They are not optical illusions, but racial realities.

Cont....

Um... Banjo -

"Fact 1. Australia is a multi-racial society. (undisputed)"

By definition, that is a racist statement.

QED