BrainDrain........

“People do both good AND bad and I know this can be because we imperfectly understand the word of Jesus (or anyone for that matter) because we are human.”-BrainDrain, I completely agree, ok, but where do you draw the line.
You are aware that many a time in history a group of people start something (where the some people good/ some bad statement ceases, and we have a war or something), such as Hitler or many other examples have throughout history. Do you believe, like I truly do that we are witnessing the absolute start of something in our own backyard and we must confront it strongly and drop the “some people bad/some good” awry memetic.

Do you think a group like Hezbollah can spring up in Sydney? Why would such a group be limited to the Middle Eastern continent, for they do not run along continental plates?
We’re sharing many of the same ingredients with them you know, and the same ingredients leads to the same outcome.
We have Muslims, Islam, and Arabs now we have terrorism WHAT COMES NEXT? What will come next?

Also you have repeatedly stated to me “it’s not all black and white” and that that is how I look at things. If so is our multi-cultural system “black&white”? where’s the grey area you keep talking about in multi-culti immigration? How about Europeans preferably Christian making up 90% of our immigration, there’s your “grey area”

All immigrants have to be 90% European that way I get my extreme predominately white Australia (has untold benefits you know) and you get multiculturalism (has, something, Bing Chinese food) everyone’s a winner.-A-quotent-system-is-a-grey-area.

people like braindrain who are firing of by products (multi cultural pushes )will “die out” because it only takes an individual who is more ”selfish” to out produce these people. The braindrains and “braindrains childrens" will slowly cease to exist in 100 years and the some if any do still exist they will be the more selfish ones like myself, who are continuously consciously relinquishing the misfiring as opposed to some type of horrifically quick-evolution.

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This is why misfiring by products/memetics and the owner’s of the genes like braindrains “die out”, or get hijacked by others(unfortunate for many, many white persons/civilization, but we can get back on the track.

BrainDrain’s memetic “I accept” all other races and all other cultures means you are prepared (obviously) to allow other people with different genes in to your suburb town etc. as contrast to mine.

your miss firing by product or “mind virus” will mean your children will have a substantially larger chance of partnering a person of another race (someone with different genes then your own), though still admitted your children naturally probably wont, and mine because of my memetics (+ nature) will make sure that never happens (my children partnering other races), being sure to pass on my genes esp. racial genes on. It is natural in a sexual reproductive sense to.....
“At some point in our history there may have been two species of humans who were capable of mating together but who might have produced sterile hybrids (such as mules)..... If that were true, then there could have been selection in favor of a "horror" of mating with the other species..... The rule of thumb for that hypothetical avoiding of miscegenation could be "Avoid mating with anybody of a different color (or appearance) from you." Richard Dawkins

Your great,great,great,great,great,great * about 15, grandkid will be mixed racial, appearing nothing like yourself, also with an unknown language/culture/accent whereas mine(nature and my memetic) will be no more far removed then my 15th generational predecessor was in 1700’s England/Ireland.
Your future generation will have to be as selfish as me to pass on “we accept all others” multi-culti memetic) if not once again your memetic(multiculturalism) dies out, much like your “BrainDrains” genes will have done (oooh too bad, because mine will go on, selfish, and with that so will my memetic “no multiculturalism” .

If only we could set up a test of my all white suburb vs your multi-racial, multi-cultural suburb in the year 2070, who’s will be better in terms of what humans fundamentally-want-for-their-wives,children,family.

People-like-you-have-non-sustainable-evolution-because-people-like-you-cannot-exist-in-the-future.

BRAINY or is it brainless ? :) dig dig... kidding ok

Mate.. this debate is becoming interesting, because we are gnawing away at the appropriate place..the philosophical/dogmatic foundations.

WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE.

Obviously has made the point quite well.. "Don't we have to draw a line somewhere" ? EXACTLY as I would have put it.

Now.. lets scotch one ugly thought immediately. This is NOT about relative personal righteousness of me compared to anyone else.
On the Spiritual level we are all sinners and fall short of the Glory of God.
Our Lords call to love our enemies, is a challenge. But.. it is not impossible. Futher.. advocating a migration policy which is aimed at preventing ethnic/religious hate and violence is decidedly a manifestation of 'love', or.. putting it in Romans 13 terms, it is prodding the Emperor to do his thing with the sword to scare away the bad bloke from doing evil.

So..its not about 'beams and specks' its not about 'me BD am righteous' and 'scumbag muslim is unrighteouss' No NO NO.

If I see a trend which is socially dangerous, I have a responsibility as a member of a democratic society to highlight this, and yes, I AM using my judgement, under God to do this. Now.. you are free to criticize.. counsel, awaken all manner of things in me, and as a brother I appreciate that. It doesn't mean I'll agree :)

Some 'lines' are drawn militarily. e.g. Battle of Tours 732, Battle of Vienna 1643 those 2 battles saved us from Islamic dominance.
Today it is a battle of demographics and government policy, both approaches (Military and Social) are valid, and if Romans 13 means what I think it means.. both can be 'Christian'. (if the Emperor happens to be Christian)

BOAZ_D,

Why do you persist in following Peter's philosphy and not JC's? Jesus denied Peter the use of his sword to 'defend' Him from the soldiers of the High Priests. Followers of Christ have no ememies, only neighbours , whom you are commanded to Love. It's hard to love someone when you are telling them to stay the heck out of my country. Unless you plan to visit and live amongst them in theirs?

Paul, when writing to the Roman's, followed the earlier counsel of JC to 'render unto Caesar that which is due unto Caesar and unto God that which is Due to God'. (Out of the wisdom that Judaea was then under Roman 'protection' and so taxes were due to be paid to Caesar in Rome and severe penalty could be imposed by the Empire on anyone who did not obey the Roman Rules). When in 'Rome'...

We are not in Rome, We are in Australia some 2000 years of evolution later. Paul was counselling the citizens of Rome (particularly Christians) to obey Earthly Law (be IN the world not OF it) but to remember where the True Power lay. The Emperor only had the power to take your life - God had the power to forsake your Eternal Soul and this was what was to be truly feared.

You have told us you propose to protest the country's leader's power and policy. Parading your coffin around the streets and handing out 'seditious' leaflets in Rome in the time of Caesar was likely to be rewarded with a free trip to the Circus to see the man-eating lions - in Extreme Close-up! I do not believe your 'devotion' to the cause would be so prominant in Caesar's Rome.
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Thank you for giving me the opportunity to re-read Romans Ch:13, I found some sage advice for me in Ch:12 as i think i have 13 down fairly well (Be not wise in your own conceits) I think 12 has something for you too... 'Bless them which persecute you, bless and curse not' (Hmmm....Obviously springs to my mind - Good Job i am not a christian I guess? :-) ) and' Vengeance is Mine: I will repay' sayeth the Lord. (so no need for us to break any commandments when taking action against evil on Earth done to 'us' as it will be judged from on High when the time is right).

My reading of 13 is clearly different to yours as it says 'love thy neighbour'. Do Good and you will be rewarded. Do evil (such as place a stumblingblock to the words of God before your fellowman) and you will face the sword. It should fall to those who are commanded to kill to do the killing, not for us to praise or agree with it. Those who live by the sword shall surely perish by it.

I know all so-called christians don't get it in the slightest but 'Thou shall not kill' does not come with any 'proviso's; it means just what it says. Christ showed the way by choosing to die on Earth rather than fight for his earthly life. Only a few Christian martyr's ever followed his word and died for their belief in God. Holy Wars are fought with Faith alone, not with swords or guns. Anyone who uses such are not truly of God.

If you do not believe in God then by all means attack or defend or kill whoever you like. If you are right about God then the strongest will survive - if you are wrong then your Soul will pay a price. Some are quite happy (in their belief) to 'pay' such. Muslim's and Christians, who both declare Christ a prophet of God, need to take a good long look at themselves.

Are we still on thread? : )

You guys still here!!??.

I am leaving my Christmas message here and there - as I will be signing off for a while -

Have a happy Christmas every body - keep on talking - with any luck one day we will soon all be on the same page - MINE! ah ha ha.

Seriously - Happy Christmas