vivy

yes I'd have to agree that us aussies are deprived, it might have something to do with aussie women but I am not sure and the sexual repression that nobody believes exists.

I hate to break it to you but Maximus is married.

I'd like a consensus of what constitutes rape. I know what I believe it is, but I'd like to hear other peoples opinions. My understanding is that the definition has been expanded to include a wide range of behaviours such as unwelcome attention.

Can attempted seduction be classified as rape?

I do know a few girls who have a favourite outfit in their cupboard which they sometimes refer to as "come and f**k me dress!" I think they were only joking.

Feminist quotes.
"Men are animals. Don't you think so?" -- Ireen von Wachenfeldt, radical feminist leader in Sweden.



"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." -- Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto



"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the experience," said Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time

"In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent." -- Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies.

"My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don't even need to shrug. I simply don't care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don't matter." -- Marilyn French, in "The Women's Room"

After reading these quotes I just cant seem to find the energy to be offended about being compared to a cat.

Muslim women are like their men - They speak with a forked tongue.

They are coached/trained to always reply to non-Muslims that - to cover up from head to toe is 'very liberating' because they 'stop being a sex symbol' when they don the hijab. A very effective argument to ward off criticism and leave you speechless.

On the other hand those not wearing a hijab, looking every bit modern and complete with lip-stick, will mock you - she is a living proof that you misunderstood what it means to be a Muslim woman.

Whatever you think of them, there is always one who can offer a contradicting argument that you are 'wrong'. Like Muslim men, they are as hypocritical as their twisted sense of logic gets. Their deceptiveness will leave you numb.

So I do not regard any Muslim woman as a lady. I do not wait for them to get out of a lift, I certainly do not open door for Muslim women.

A Muslim woman who is a steadfast believer of that con-man Muhammad, deserved to be regarded as how Islam culture regards her... just a piece of meat, covered or uncovered.

btw, one good way to recognise Muslim deception is to look at what goes on in over 50 Islamic states around the world, then ask ourselves - what happens here if there are more of those creatures around?

Just look at our near neighbour. Islam is the only reason why Indonesia, despite its many islands, is not the least a country of tropical paradise islands.

Islam - A religion that is mother of evil intolerance, has now caused Bali to cease being a paradise island as well.

Sigh...

Hey MEAT,

Yes, I am talking to all you Muslim women out there.

Including that Muslim lawyer (SBS Insight 8/11/06) who does not wear a hijab (in order to better progress her legal career). She said "yes" when asked whether Hilali should go. Her reason was that Hilali is a poor communicator (NOT because Hilali's speech about women is wrong). Did you notice how Keysar Trad bluntly retorted? Did she dare to argue with Keysar Trad?

All you charming Muslim women (Shakira Hussein and Irene Khan included) who consciously or unconsciously soft-sell a Muslim image, you need to placate the public, don't you? Then Muslim issues will simply vanish in thin air.

The alternative is unthinkable and impossible - You can not seriously rebuke your male counterparts, no matter how unacceptable their behaviours, any more than just pretending a gentle chide.

Of course not!

Because I know, you have the 'wisdom', that your male counter-parts are your MASTERS.

Just don't change your religion no matter what. Because that's when you will fully realise the wrath from your MASTERS, and appreciate the true meaning of being just meat, chopped meat !!

So to make life easier for yourself, be hypocritical and deceptively charming to the general public. Your MASTERS like that also.

Hopefully it never dawns upon you that Muhammad was in fact a con-man. You cannot face that possibility. This way at least you will always remain a piece of meat to your MASTERS, not one that will be chopped up.

Elka
You were doing well until the last. I never once said let men be men and women be women so long as no harm is done.

I think men should be men and women should be women regardless of the current trend in social management.

Men are not equal to women, women are not equal to men. Nature/God in Gods wisdom decided this when God/nature decided on the number two for purpose of procreation.

Any conversation about equality is down to social manipulation and as we all know, when you go out to manipulate someone or something it don't necessary work out as you may have planned.

Men are not even equal to men. Because we are not all equal the human experience keeps growing. If ever the dreamy state of total equality ever comes about the world will stagnate.
Revel in your inequality and aspire to be the best you can be.
if something bad happens to you get over it. I'm not trying to be unduely harsh. In my mind and my experience victim is not a healthy condition.
Men and women both behave in the vilest manner towards each other. It's not all, and it's not all at once but, it is all together.

Peace.

Um, Aqvarius, equal does not mean the same. An orange is not the same as an apple but neither is it superior or inferior. It is different, but of equal value to the world and to its plant of origin.
When we talk of equality in human relations, between black and white, or Jew and gentile, or man and woman, we mean that one is not inherently superior or inferior to the other. Yes, they are different ( though not as different from one another as the apple differs from the orange), but they are of equal value.
And you are right, there is probably as much difference between individual members of the same race or gender as there are between women and men, or blacks and whites. That's why defining any group of people according to aprescribed set of rules, behaviours and expectations is so dumb. I meet men I have heaps in common with, who feel like kindred spirits and women who seem to have been born on a different planet and vice versa. But, so what, they all remain equal - in the sense of being no more and no less important than I am.

Ena You say: "...equal does not mean the same. An orange is not the same as an apple but neither is it superior or inferior."

I disagree. An apple is superior in certain aspects. Oranges are superior in relation to, for instance, their juiciness. The crime statistics for my area for 2005/6. Pop. 186, 443 say we had 119 sexual assaults. Thus these particular (lecherous)men are superior at sexual aggression and disrespecting women. But they are far more inferior in their attitude to women than the male who has respect for women.

Also, has anyone picked up on Sheik Halili's insult to the Muslim men who he more or less accuses of idiocy and inferior animalistic behaviours?

Men are not "animals" because of our ability to make moral or ethical choices. Most men know that without permission sexual interaction is shameful abuse. The stats back this up. Fraser says virtually the same thing in relation to Muslim IQ and is tagged a racist.

Dr Winter.

You ask whether Hilali's views are really so unusual (re: female naked flesh being a cue for male sexual aggression). Yet nothing in your article backed this up. You just made assertions. For instance, D.W. says: “This idea is prevalent in Christian culture as well … “ That is a generalisation and unfair to all the real men out here who regard women with genuine esteem and respect.

I can recall one time about 14 years ago when a Baptist preacher asserted that Bible okays raping one’s wife. That created outrage from other Christians (myself included). Also there is an old Catholic saying: "The best defence against lecherous males is modesty". Couldn't you find some examples? And if your assertion was correct then it would follow that rape would be more prevalent amongst church goers. How did you come to your "conclusion"?

Yes I agree there is an undercurrent of disrespect for women in our culture. But I think your average Aussie male knows where the line is and that there is no excuse for perving or aggression towards women.