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'Uncovered Meat' meets 'Mr Lust' : Comments

By Bronwyn Winter, published 7/11/2006

It is still the norm in the collective Australian psyche to consider women as sexual predators of unwitting men who simply can't help themselves.

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vivy, if publishers aren't taking your writing seriously, I think it might be less about your breasts and more about your ability to spell or use appropriate punctuation.
Posted by Dewi, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 3:20:54 PM
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I agree with AKA - only I do not think that author implies men and boy children do not get abused. The article is specifically dealing with the attitudes of men towards women, sexuality and rape. Both Hilaly and Lunig suggest that women are responsible, if not complicit, in the sexual violence inflicted upon them. They both suggest male violent behaviour towards women is natural and their fore excusable in some way and that this particular violent behaviour is invited by women when they choose what to wear on a particular day. This entire argument is deceptive as it fails to deal with the fact that rape is about power. It is about one person getting off on the power to force another into a sexual act. Rape is not sex. It is a violent act of aggression and power. Women and girls who are victims of rape are of every shape, age, ethnicity, dress sense and class, (even babies and pensioners are victims of rape.)

One can not help but wonder if/when Hilaly and Lunig advocate their stance that implies that women are responsible, if not complicit, in the sexual violence inflicted upon them, they are perhaps exposeing themselves for being socially inadequate males with an unhealthy, but obvious, need to fantasise about holding power over women in a sexual form but are too cowardly to admit their own inadequacy and there fore blame women.
Posted by Billy C, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 3:30:22 PM
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Don't know whether these comments still hold true?

What was she like, mate? asks a young feller to the other.

Oh not bad - says the other - good for a night but not for a
lifetime.

About girls trying to lose too much weight?
Well not bad, but a bugger for a cuddle.
Posted by bushbred, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 4:27:39 PM
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Dewie,

Why, don't you know? Teachers have been telling kids for decades now that spelling, punctuation and grammar aren't important any more, just so long as you can get your message across. I respectfully suggest that vivy's been putting her bazookoid messages across very nicely, it would seem.
Posted by Maximus, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 7:22:44 PM
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Bronwyn Winter is riding on the wave of Muslim misogynistic oppression.If you can't get attention through the normal channels of hard work and talent,just go with the power of those who oppress your own gender and attribute the same gender extremism to all levels of Australian Society.

Bronwyn Winter is really quite disgusting,she is both gutless and a traitor to all women.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 8:18:53 PM
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I agree with Bronwyn. I have to say though, it seems that every time something bad is said about men generally, there are always some individual men ready to jump up and down, accusing women of "man hating" and feeling really offended because a woman dared say something against men's bad behaviour in general.
I don't think that Bronwyn is suggesting that every man has zero control over his impulses, only that it is a widely held belief that this is the case. A belief held by many men and some women. Why don't the men who are offended by Bronwyns comments direct their anger instead, at the multitudes of men who do behave this way, who do have this attitude. Can't you see that the degradation, sexualisation of women, the sexual harrassment, the rapes, is a problem within your gender group? Why won't you speak out against this? Rebuke the men who are doing this for goodness sake!! This isn't about "man hating" this is about care and compassion for women, women who are being sexually assaulted, harrassed and humiliated in the media through advertising etc. Women who are then too afraid to speak out about their assaults because they aren't taken seriously. Don't expect us women to put up with this, some of us will speak out, no, many more of us will speak out and if some men get offended,get over yourself, you aren't the ones being hurt here. Great article Bronwyn, keep it coming.
Posted by Elka, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 8:56:08 PM
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