Let me re-state...for the record... so that there are no illusions as to where I stand....

I SUPPORT ETHNIC CLEANSING. as being the most compassionate means of solving the endemic conflict between competing groups of people.

I do NOT support achieving that cleansing by other than a gradual, step by step approach, with military intervention being the last resort.

Being the VICTIM of ethnic (or perhaps more accurately 'class') cleansing, (from the Scottish Highlands) through my ancestors I have to say that given the climate here, I'm pretty happy with the result.

GET OVER IT..... human history is the history of ethnic cleansing and genocide. Sad, but true.

THE RULE IS....."Rule, or be Ruled" that IS how life works.

If we are the recipients of benevolant rule, so much the better.

Conflict arises out of 2 major issues

1/ Ethnic Pride "We are 'better' than them' (I am ITALIAN Australian Rather than 'AUSTRALIAN of Italian Ancestry)

2/ COMPETITION FOR RESOURCES.

So, the only other solution to competition for resources is to remove the 'us/them' factor. This can occur when opposing parties embrace the same religious foundation, but even THEN... it will not solve the problem completely because it will come back to ethnicity, extended family, Clan, tribe etc...

"The only 'race' is the human race" is laughably naive though a noble ideal.

Emphasizing or even facilitating 'difference' (such as with Multi-culturalism) is a recipe for conflict, possibly even murky war

Yuyu,

Deluded as ever. Totally self defeating and destructive. And so typical of Zionism. EVERY non-Jew is INNATELY anti-Semitic, therefore we cannot live side-by-side with non-Jews. We must have our own little ghetto (albeit with moveable borders) and when we steamroll any non-Jews who happen to be in our way, their natural, human tendency to resist is...a further demonstration of anti-Semitism! You're incapable of seeing anything circular, self-fulfilling here? Silly question! Of course not. "Israel is preventing a holocaust daily"...by committing a holocaust daily! Sheer madness.

Bamboozled:

"Emphasizing or even facilitating 'difference' (such as with Multi-culturalism) is a recipe for conflict, possibly even murky war."

Does this mean that you and your long suffering spouse are now at each other's throats?

Boaz David
Your ideas of ethnic cleansing sicken me.

Answer these or drop your incessant insane ranting about your final solution.

If I agreed with you (WHICH I DON"T)that ethnic cleansing is reasonable and would work...and being the practical chappie that I am ...wouldn't it make more sense and be easier to cleanse the minority party from the Mid East? And that isn't the Palestinians. Why wouldn't you be in favour of such a move?

Yutsu

You support the illegal occupations just like Israel. No amount of word manipulation on your part will alter that fact.

Tell me why exactly the situation would be any different from today if the borders were formalised at the pre '67 ones? I'd suggest there would be a workable peace as the terror merchants on both sides lost community support.

Take a look at the situation between Israel and Jordan and Israel and Egypt before you answer. They have all had their adherents and desciples of violence and extermination...and still do...including Israel.

Strewth,

1) Let's avoid name-calling.

2) UNGA res. 194 is a recommendation; all tribes have the same right to ignore it, and that's mostly what's happened. As usual, each tribe selectively supports the parts of 194 it likes, but no one seems interested in the resolution as a whole.

3) If you think there was ethnic cleansing in 1948, Res. 194 wouldn't change that. And one need not support ethnic cleansing to oppose Res. 194, or oppose ethnic cleansing to support Res. 194, for a whole variety of reasons.

4) "without even bothering to read... I can guarantee that you had no problem whatever..." You don't know how I feel about the war because I haven't told you. This business of "I know what you think without you telling me" is astounding. I couldn't write a better caricature of stereotypical thinking, prejudice, and bigotry if I tried.

5) There has been no ethnic cleansing in south Lebanon.

Col. Rouge,

As I explained above, there is no contradiction between allowing dual citizenship and demanding that new American citizens renounce their previous citizenships. Even if these renunciations were effective in preventing dual citizenship of these new Americans (which they're not), people who were already American citizens could still acquire additional citizenships, and some people qualify for both American and foreign citizenship at birth.

Dear Keith

I've actually stated in other places that to remove the Jewish population would be just as effective in ending the conflict. No question about that.

I do indeed have theological reasons for not suggesting it happen, but it would certainly be workable. When I say theological reasons, its not that I believe that the ultimate outcome in terms of 'final things' is dependent on human activity, i.e. We can 'help God' No, on the contrary, I believe it is inevitable that the Jewish state will remain, and grow but only up to the point of near Armageddon, when it appears by one view of last days interpretation that Israel will in fact be defeated in the short term prior to Christs return.

Let me just say, that on the day you see (if u do) the Al Aksa Mosque and Dome of the Rock being demolished to make way for a new Jewish Temple, be sure that the end is not far off.

At the moment, the likelihood of such a thing happening is maybe 5% as a wild guess as to how many Israelis would support it.

But then, the idea that there would even 'be' an Israel in 1940 must have looked the same.

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm talking about human solutions which work, irrespective of the short term suffering. It happened to the Jews many times. (Assyrian, Babylonian and Roman) So, on a human level, I believe in the 'workability' of Ethnic cleansing.

I walked along side the protest march in Melbourne yesterday, with people screaming "Israel Israel blah blah blah"(blah= war criminal, aggressor, evil etc) there were about 100 all up. There were 2 elements. Socialist left advocating a Single Secular state for all. (never will happen) and the Palestinians who would prefer Israel OUT 100%. Quite a sad lot really... but symptomatic of the complexity of the situation.
They were stunned for words when I mentioned we are standing on 'ethnically cleansed/stolen land' having that convo in Swanston Street.

If the Palestinian's could be persuaded to leave voluntarily, with compensatory inducements of a financial sort, would this still be repugnant to everyone?

Would this solve the problem?

Although Strewth and others have savaged David Boaz for even suggesting ethnic cleansing, no appears to be offering any better ideas to resolve this without endless genocidal violence.

Deserved or not, there's no doubt the Palestinian's are feeling the 'stick', could the international community not resolve this by showing them the carrot and offering them a way out of their dilemma?