I am a white Australian female married to an Iraqi shia muslim ,every shia I have spoken to , be them Iraqi , Lebanese , Iranian ,Syrian and Afgani all give alegiance to Hezbollah . Listening or reading correspondance on shia arabic chat sites or satelite tv I find the same alegiance . As an Australian I find it very alarming because this alegiance far outways any they have for Australia despite , becoming citizens or even growing up here . So what you may be thinking , well Hezbollah does not think much of Australians , yes it does like Australia ,Hezbollah like most if not all groups of muslems wish to make it an islamic state .
Also all the shia people i have spoken to cared only when fellow shia were being harmed / killed .
Shia children actually some sunni's I know also , learn hate for the west and Israel from the time their parents talk to them , Israels retaliation will not change any thought patterns .
If Hezzbolla ordered these fellow Aussi's to attack sites in Australia , thats exactly what they would do .
Yes it is sad to see children dead and wounded , but Israel has the right to seek justice if Lebanese officials do not take control , after all , all they needed to do was give back the soldiers , of course this would not suit Hezzbollah and his backers they have hidden motives .
I worry about the possible increase in refugees seeking shelter on our shores and increasing our shia population .
Ifan : wheredoes the figure 800 out of 25000 come from .

Thanks Irfan, I am an Aryan and have red blood but I know what you mean. Somewhere along the line the so-called Aryans are going to have to face the consequences of what they did to the Jews in the holocaust instead of hiding behind the furphy of the islamic terror machine who could only have nightmares about murdering 6 million innocent human beings.

We Aryans though - 3 million in Vietnam, 100 million in two world wars, another 2 million in Cambodia - and those we didn't kill we sat back and watched. What a grand history we Aryans have.

Now of course we have blown up Afghanistan and Iraq and can't work out why they aren't suitably grateful for it. And then people like Fefe complain about shi'ites here.

I would be distressed beyond belief if any of my friends from Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran who just happen to also follow shi'ism were sent away - it was horrific enough watching the Bakhtiyari's being deported and dumped.

The fact is of course that muslims here are not hurting us at all, but we sure are hurting them with our racist, dog-whistling bull.

It was interesting tonight to see that the so-called terror group Hezbollah have set up refugee camps and food and sleeping stations for the displaced and bombed out citizens of Beirut while the Israeli's are blowing up refugees as they flee.

Hm.....someone want to tell me who the terrorists are here? And did people here know that there are over 5 million people who follow Judaism living protected lives in the US and that over 80% of all people who follow Judaism live in the US and Israel? With a population of nearly 14 million throughout the world they sure aren't as endangered as they would have us believe are they?

Me I will remain an atheist, easier to get on with almost anyone that way.

Dear Keith

one thing we need to clarify.

My 'Final Solution' would equally apply in effectiveness to the Israelis as well as the Palestinians or Hezbollah.

I'm speaking in time proven principles.

The realites though, suggest that if Israel wishes to survive in the long term, they must deal with 2 problems.
-The Palestinians in the camps and
-Hezbollah in South Lebanon.

I think that in the midst of all the emotive news coverage, you and others are losing sight of these fundamental root problems.

You call my approach 'Evil'. But ask yourself this. If you can re-settle people and provide them with economic infrastructure, a secure place to live, land... how is this evil ?

Another factor being lost sight of here, (by most who are contra ISrael) is the nature of Hezbollah in regard to 4 factors

1/ Relationship with Iran and its implications.
2/ The OFFensive nature of their weapons.
3/ Absence of such a thing as 'civilians' in South Lebanon. (Hezbollah only exists from the population, who support them, provide shelter and storage and launching sites for rockets etc)
4/ Their delcared GOAL of removing/destroying Israel. (Your comment ?)

Taken together, those 4 things would convince me (if I was an Israeli general) that the only lasting solution would be to

-Bare Minimum remove the population of Sth Lebanon to a position where such rockets cannot reach Israel.
-Seek a Multinational force with TEETH to maintain a safe buffer zone.
-Remove all infrastructure relating to Hezbollah activities in that buffer zone. (Including so called 'civilian' villages etc)

Will this create a 'massive humanitarian problem' ? yes of course it will. But lets remember those 'humans' are someones enemies. From adults to teens, even children. Perhaps if they publically (on published video) renounced Hezbollah I would allow them to return.
But if there was a hint of violence...it would be 'OUT' and out for good.

P.S. you still haven't come up with a solution :)

I often wonder what makes the supporters of Israeli terrorist activities tick, then I realise they have mindsets programmed with hatred of their neighbours, a lot has been said about "duel citizenship," many have complained about the Australian governments treatment of Australians who hold Lebanese Passports, I wish we would talk more about duel citizenship because then we would ask why does a third generation Australian hold a Israeli/Jewish passport, do all Jews hold Iraeli Passports, do they put Israel before Australia, sure do, why is Israel taking only Jewish Migrants, who have no genetic link with the holy land. their membership of a God Club ensures a ticket to the promised land, a land promised by a God they created, why dont they call on this God to come down to planet earth , prove they are not being untruthfull, it is not going to happen because only the devil supports the murder of young children, I feel sorry for the Israelis, they will pay the price for sowing the seeds of hatred, they need to stand back and think about the future, there will never be piece in the Middle East while the inhabitants claim to be doing their Gods work,

Double standards! to get a better understanding of the Israeli disproportional response to one or two soldiers being taken prisoner'

You have to read "The Protocols of the learned elders of Zion" can be found on the Jew Watch site,

David

Your 'final solution' expanded from Gaza to now include half of Lebonan. It's just make up as you go. It's an old crock of used shot. Next you'll be including the West Bank, parts of Syria and Jordon and ... well how about Sinai for starters?

I have a solution and stated it yonks ago... in your evil you were blind to it.

I'll state it again.
Return the borders to the pre '67 war borders. Compensate anyone or their families who lost land due to the Partition in '48. Simple and no need of Martins's misery making machinations.

The only reason you don't think it will work is because you have a desire to see the eventual emergence of a 'Greater Israel'.

Well your solution displaces a whole race of Palestinians. Guess what that will result in. Doh!
Mine requires only people get on with one another.
It is Israel who does not want fixed and indisputable borders. You'll rant that the Arabs will destroy Israel. Well mate they haven't in the last 58 years. Israel has survived a multitude of terrorist organisations and their evil during that time and will continue to do so.

If we allow the Palestinians fair, fixed and indusputable boarders and for the creation of their own governance we'll see the exact same situation arise as has arisen between Jordan and Israel, Egypt and Israel and to a great extent the peace on the physical border between Syria and Israel.

So much better and much more realistically achievable than your disgraceful 'final solution'.

Oh and don't believe the Palestinians are incalpable of adopting a 'live and let live' policy. Even that criminal Arafat was ready to concede that. Just asEgypt, Jordan and to an increasing extent Syria have embraced that notion.