Even in the so called biblical times of reporting, the Jews have never had a homeland ......

Even in the so called biblical times of reporting, the Jews have never been honest, nor trusted........

Even in the so called biblical times of reporting, the Jews have lied, connived and falsified documentation for aggressive attacks ......

And now .... well no difference whatever, for the so called Jews now in Israel have no connection whatever to the land they have usurped from the long term residents .... and you want terrorists, try starting with the Jews themselves, from the Jew Kapos who decided who was to live and who was to die in the concentration camps - to the Jews controlling the NKVD who killed and murdered more than 20 million Russians ...... BUT wait – they were not real people – they were not Jews were they?

Then, come cry on my shoulder - you miserable little minded people.

But in the meantime - go look at what the Jews are doing now - see the war crimes they are committing now .... and then say to me how proud you are to say they are so very good, but wronged people ......

http://www.assafir.com/iso/israeli-aggression/regions/

Go wash your hands in the blood of innocent children - go look in the eyes of orphans, whose parents have been murdered .... and then, then ask yourself - would you forgive them .... or would you also take an eye for an eye?

Do not go to this link unless you have a strong stomach - which I doubt - for those who support the Jews are but craven cowards and have no stomach for the truth …. And may you burn and rot in your own little hells

Kekenidika, I get really angry when people (including Israel supporters) sprout hatred of Muslims here. But it also angers me when people use opposition to certain Israeli military incursions as a cover to spread hatred of Jews.

Israel may call itself a Jewish state, but incinerating children is not part of Judaism or Jewish cultures.

Israeli leaders committing dastardly deeds are not doing it for Judaism. The average person who just happens to be Jewish mustn't be held accountable for this.

Jews as a whole people and Judaism as a religion mustn't be tarnished or maligned.

Part One.

Irfan, You might as well vent your spleen on me for despising Muslims as well – I have no particular love for them because of the hatred they display towards others – so it works both ways.

I am not spreading hatred for the Jews – I am just pointing out some inescapable facts of their perfidies – based on their own history and history is something you just cannot escape. AND as for your statement “incinerating children is not part of Judaism or Jewish cultures….” Yeah right … Go tell that to http://www.assafir.com/iso/israeli-aggression/regions/beirut/pages/image/imagepage5.html - - - Next you have me believe that stoning is not a punishment decreed in your Koran? If it isn’t, then you had better go tell a few of the Muslim nations that are still doing it now … or have you conveniently forgotten that aspect of Islam – is it any different? I think not!

As for peaceful cohabitation, one only has to read of the murders of people from other religions in Pakistan, Indonesia and the one and only religion in Saudi – and couple that with the evil of the Fundamentalists in the Americas and all their splinter cults and cultists – then you might begin to understand why ALL damned religions are mind control organizations and thus inherently evil.

As for Islam, Islam was not a religion founded on peace, because your prophet killed off a few of the opposition, he also had a few men killed off so he could have their wives and was even a paedophile with his 9 year old child “bride” – which may – or may not have been the done thing in those days ….. At least Christ preached peace, followed a peaceful path and railed against the Jewish religion and the corruption within - but the majority of Muslims today are no better these days AND still think the same way of world domination.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

This is what I think. This is what I believe.

Part two to follow

Kekenedika,
Irfan is right.
If it was ONLY Jewish people behaving badly we would not have to then explain Bush, Cheney, Howard, Rice AND/OR some of the more extreme Islamic/Arabic elements also contributing to it all; OR the fat reactionary oil plutocrats in places like Saudi Arabia or even willfully ignorant, lazy, beer-swilling Aussies.
The tangled web of history and resultant current political imbalances are the cause of this abcess. Different actors have different challenges. For us in the West, as with Israel, the challenge is NOT to abuse our power the way Bush and his ignorant mongrels and confederates seem to be doing.
Irfan, Loewenstein and others show the way in seeking objectivity and the sooner certain partisans do the same free of chip on the shoulder, the sooner a solution can be found and implemented.
I can't beleive the God of the "Children of the Book" would be happy with the way we- ALL of us- are handling these issues, or the suffering that goes on because of stupidity, prejudice, arrogance, laziness, fear, cowardice and greed.

If you do not like the way I think or what I believe … then really, all I can say is “tuff titties”, because there is not one thing you will be able to do, say or even coerce me into changing – it will only prove my point that you – like all the rest - are just another small vacuous mindless nonentity. It would do you good to start thinking for yourself sometimes.

I usually treat others with due respect – however, when religion is brought into the conversation I am disgusted – by all! AND you may well say “Jews as a whole people and Judaism as a religion mustn't be tarnished or maligned.” I say back to you why not?

The Jews are targeting legally elected Hamas politicians for selected paramilitary executions, yet seem not to give a damn about the hundreds of innocent children who are also murdered by their stupidity, their ignorance and arrogance – as in “Oh well better a dead child than a live terrorist later….”
They have elected their government to do their bidding – and their government is killing innocents in their name AND they WILL be held responsible – after all the Lebanese have elected their own Hezbollah to do their own killing – but the only difference being that the Jews have control of the media and the crocodile tears of hypocrisy are falling thick and fast – As Micheal Gorgochev said on DATELINE – the Jews will lose all support from the rest of the world– except for the Americans who are controlled by Zionists and possibly Howard, who is so far up Bush’s Fundamental Orifice that he does not have one original thought for himself.

This of course does not auger well for ordinary Australians, for we also will be held to account for what our elected government has done in our names and shame.

So Ifran – you want to get angry, really angry? – Then go look in a mirror and see the object of your anger, because it is you – not me!

Kekenidika, I agree with you that religion is the basis for many of the ills of our world. Fundamentalists of any persuasion can be very dangerous. However, there are notions that are good useful guideposts for living such as the Golden Rule, the Commandment about not killing ( the 10 commandments generally), and the parable of the Good Samaritan come to mind. I can't comment on any other religions but I suppose they have similar moral and uplifting notions.

But some who appear to hold religious views on OLO are a huge worry; they profess to be Christian but their words are quite the opposite as they push violence leading to innocent blood being spilt as a means to resolve the ME problems.

Though I disagree with you in relation to Ifran. He has had past associations with the Liberal Party but tends to take a small "l" approach. I suppose the reason that I have commented about Ifran is that from what I have read has been fairly consistent with his political views.