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Deadly double standards sow terror : Comments

By Antony Loewenstein, published 21/7/2006

Israel's response is disproportionate and counter-productive.

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Part Two

No need to say any more about the present White House staff, but except to mention that from what one who has read of Immanuel Kant, he would really point out that such mercenary dual interests, would certainly rule out the US as fit to command his Federation of Nations.

In fact, it seem that the US in the Middle-East, has visions of a type of colonial-type Indian Dyarky or ersatz democracy, with US nuclear projectiles protecting the system as far away as America. Of course, there is also the Green Zone, or future US Embassy, said to be the ultra modern equivalent of the largest of Crusader castles.

In short, the Middle East problems need Kant’s Federation of Nations principle more than any global political problem before it. But the problem has been of course, that the US like the Soviet Union never believed in a United or Federation of Nations. Thus came the annoying veto which has recently been used by America to block any UN diplomacy concerning Israel’s incursion into Lebanon.

So it all depends now on who is calling the tune, and because unipolar America has now openly replaced the UN as the dinkum global voice, Israel is free to do pretty well as she likes.

It is so interesting that the above interpretation can be talked about in the Murdoch School of Humanities, but never much out in the street, and even among many of our onliners Murdoch could be called a mob of fruitcakes or bleeding hearts. Certainly the situation calls for much more commonsense
Posted by bushbred, Friday, 21 July 2006 5:01:11 PM
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demos,

There is only one problem with your view. It stems from the old adage that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", and another "The friend of my enemy is my enemy".

The terrorist groups Israel is fighting are the same that have already killed more than 150 Australians in New York, Bali, etc., and who would like to kill a lot more. Remember that this has nothing to do with Iraq, as these killings occurred before 2003.

The incident of the danish cartoons demonstrated more than anything else that hatred of western culture is widespread over many muslim countries, and that Hamas truly represents the will of the palestinian people. We truly face another major religious or cultural war.

The moral problem of the palestinian refugees is best compared to a similar one that existed in germany after ww2, when over four million ethnic germans were expelled from eastern europe. In the german case the refugees were either incorporated into german society or helped to migrate to other countries, including Australia. All the camps were closed by 1955.

In comparison, the arabs, despite coming into amounts of money unknown in previous world history, kept the palestinians in misery and hopelessness in their ghettos, because it served the arab interest.

The upshot of all of the above is that, from an Australian viewpoint, Israel is our ally, and palestine, iran, hezbollah and hamas are the enemy. It is also very interesting to note the very muted criticism of Israel this time, particularly from the surrounding arab countries. They don't want the persians in the middle east any more than the west does.
Posted by plerdsus, Friday, 21 July 2006 5:12:01 PM
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Israel is not just fighting Lebanese Hizb'Allah to disarm them they are also confronting hundreds of Iranian troops.

"Israel is not just fighting Hezbollah in Lebanon; hundreds of Iranian Revolutionary Guard troops (the “Al-Quds Force”) are on the ground there as well, according to an Arab diplomatic source in Washington. It was a contingent of these troops that was responsible for the radar-guided C-802 missile that targeted the Israeli warship off the coast. Four Israeli seamen were lost in that attack.

"This was a direct message to the Israelis that we are fighting the Iranians here," said the Arab diplomatic spokesman.

Hezbollah’s continued support comes from arms shipments being funneled into Lebanon through a well-established base in Syria. According to intelligence reports, "The order to increase assistance" is "directly from Tehran with the approval of the bureau of the leader Khamenei," the official said. "The assistance mainly includes a large amount of weapons as well as ammunition, cash, and field rations." This kind of assistance from their Iranian backers could lengthen Hezbollah’s fight against Israel. According to one source, Iran has also sent FL-10 naval missiles, additional Katyusha rockets and Fair-3 and Fair-5 missiles."
Posted by Philo, Friday, 21 July 2006 5:25:15 PM
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A small query to those who claim that land in the middle east was stolen from the palestinians. If any evidence could be presented that the ancestors of the palestinians came from Africa to the area when it was unpopulated, and remained there continuously until 1948, this claim might have some merit.

However I believe the evidence shows that the ancestors of the palestinians came to the area and stole the land from the previous owners. Could they have been jews?
Posted by plerdsus, Friday, 21 July 2006 8:29:56 PM
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@Marilyn Shepherd
"Just imagine if Japan occupied Sydney or some suburbs of Sydney and drove out the rightful owners and citizens then brought thousands or millions of Japanese to build illegal dwellings on the land, build a huge wall around it and kill any Sydney siders who dare to intrude or argue to get their land back"...

er, Marilyn, you don't have to resort to such hypotheticals, isn't that exactly what WE did to Aboriginals? Does Australia then have a right to exist?
Posted by Kvasir, Friday, 21 July 2006 9:57:53 PM
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If people thought the responses on these forums can get hysterical, check out pseudo-conservative Tim Blair's nausiating blog and some of the lunatics that post there.

Tim's infantile attempt to undermine Antony's credibility made me almost fall off my chair laughing. The comments on his post were dominated by hysterical fruitcakes complaining that Antony was ... wait for it ... a "self-hating Jew" (whatever that means)!

Still, I cop flack from Muslims for openly criticising the leadership of peak bodies and mosques. It's not easy going against the flow.

Hey Leigh, aren't you the same Leigh that puts xenophobic comments on the blogs of Tim Blair and Peter Faris?
Posted by Irfan, Friday, 21 July 2006 10:28:03 PM
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