Robert E, OLO= On Line Opinion

Heya, Scout and Wendy :)

I was not going to respond to these posts anymore, but I had to make an exception.

Philo: I am concerned about one of your statements:
“The pill was introduced to free women from unwanted pregnancies and child abuse. Never in the history of man have we seen so much child abuse…”

Philo, do you have proof that the contraception pill is the cause of so much child abuse? I would have thought that not having contraception available would be a more likely factor to contribute to child abuse- the more unwanted kids there are the more chance there is of abuse. You can’t abuse a child that was never conceived, lol.

Don’t forget that child abuse is being reported nowadays; in the old days a case would have to be severe for it to attract any attention. It was actually quite common to belt or cane kids, give ‘m a flick around the ears, send them to bed without food etc- all these things are now seen as child abuse. What about child labour- that was also child abuse and now, at least in Australia, it is illegal.

I think that there are many factors that can contribute to child abuse, such as stress, depression, personal, financial problems and of course drug or alcohol abuse, isolation, and yes, sick communities too. There are probably many more but this is off my head. Oh and don't forget that there has been a quite large population increase sinds pre-contraceptive age- what was it, about 40 years ago?

BTW women are not the only ones to abuse children- men abuse children AND women. Perhaps it would help to tie every person on earth to the kitchen sink? Now that would solve all problems!

If you took away contraception from women now and took their freedom away- well I can almost guarantee an increase in child abuse cases.

Philo, on at least two previous threads on abortion, I posted websites on how the Dutch and some other European nations had much lower abortion rates than, for instance, the US. The reason appears to be that the nations which are enlightened in this respect teach young people about sex and the responsibilities which come with this knowledge. And various types of contraceptive are readily available to these young people.

http://www.clothesfree.com/pregnancy.html
[Contains a small amount of non-sexual nudity.]

http://www.unesco.org/courier/2000_07/uk/apprend2.htm

This strategy obviously works, whilst the chastity before marriage and religious guilt strategy obviously does not.

I repeatedly asked you to comment on these websites and you repeatedly either ignored my request, or dodged the issue. Are you afraid to confront anything which does not neatly fit in with your preconceived beliefs? If so, may I suggest that you provide some solid, verifiable reasons for continuing to talk down to others. And no, quoting the Bible is not a verifiable reason!

Somehow I dont think anyone will change Philos mind and whilst some of us may not agree with him, I guess he is standing by what he believes to be the right thing..his own convictions..

Thank you Philo for ur kind words even though as u say we may not see eye to eye in some respects,that was very magnanimous of you.

This is an issue that is bottomless in its complexities and myriad of 'spin off' arguements...so far its been deffered to single mums, the right to terminate or not and child abuse issues among others...not a lot on the actual topic itself.

Wendy u seem to think that u may be the only one outraged by animal suffering in the world but believe me I have deep hurt and concerns about many issues regarding same.

The plight of sun bears ,bile extraction,seals skun alive for their fur...u are absolutely singlehandedly championing the cause for animals on here, and lets face the world is doing precious little to correct the problem. There can never be too many Wendys in the world when it comes to this.

I only comment because from time to time some of us have dismissed the isuue to a certain extent and it is an important issue..
Can we lobby perhaps to begin threads more relevant to concerns of posters?

OZGIRL, I think thats what the recently introduced general tab is for. I just checked and there are some threads there already.

R0bert

Everybody I apoligise,

" Philo gets up my nose."

Im off post,I took his bait. It was like a red flag to a bull in my work.

Its about drugs, pluss a womens right to choose "if" she wants children, not Churches and Bibles . I responded because he uses the bible.

I should pity him[brainwashed]. Anything else I could, but I will never forgive the Churches and good Christians.

Theres "other" symptons. Hes a sick Rooster and no gentleman would ask such questions of women.

Ozgirl dont tell him more. Look for this type in your work as a social worker especially at their children.
You will make a good Social Worker, you care, like Robert and the others.

Philo Im not answering your personal questions.

Help with Roberts book like I intend to, instead of asking ladies personal questions about their birth control methods to get your kicks.

You didn't comment to my counter argument. Proves your the same as the two thousand Churches and good christians we asked WHY they felt no responsibilty to stop barbaric cruelty to Gods creatures.?

Surley if its anybodys job its theirs!

Your preaching about something thats not born or even formed that cant feel pain while living creatures suffer.

hypocrites

Not one answer from two thousand letters. [sickening]

Ozgirl, Robert, Celivia, Scout everyones been tolerant so for their sakes lets stick to the forum.

You should you not submitt to the sin of trying to call me a uneducated drunk.
Thats not very Christian now is it?
Your surposed to be better than me remember.
I may been one of those unwanted neglected children you want to bring into the world.

Im working sixteen hour, seven days a week for NFP doing Gods work.
Errors are just plain exhaustion, anger trying to make for the thousands of good christians neglect.

Its a priverledge to post . Even the aurthor deserves better.

Anyway I wouldnt mind a few words with the lady to be honest.
Perhaps you know her.

By the way are you related to Tony Abbott or perhaps Steve Fielding?

Wendy,
Try not to take Philos comments personally, although that can be hard sometimes especially when ur best does,nt seem good enough..
and especially when its close to ur heart and one has to live it..it can cut deep..so remember the only one that matters is what you think of yourself, we are our toughest critics in the end and if you measure up to who YOU want to be thats all that matters.

Sticks and stones remember?

The only thing that matters at all is that u passed thru someones life and left them feeling better for having known you.