Wendy, I believe that the choice to carry to term or not belongs with the woman who would have to do the carrying.

I don't however believe that it helps society to close off discussion of the broader issues to some sections of the community just because they are not "directly" impacted by the issue.

My point about what the no-choice mob are doing was not just about being fair to them (I think Philo can vouch for my failings in that area), it is also about the kind of risks we take as a society when we keep topics behind closed doors. It's the kind of thinking which used the other way kept women out of the "important" decisions because they were mens business. I still think the comparison between your campaign and what the no-choice crowd are trying to do is valid even if I don't agree with them on this issue. We may have to disagree on that.

Robert, should the father of an unplanned child have any responsibility for that child? That is an area where this discussion gets pretty murky. I know of at least one case personally where a women kept the existence of a child secret from the father right up to the point where he got sent for a DNA test as a precursor to the large bill for child support. NOt only did he miss out on involvement in the formative years of his childs life he has also been hit with a significant financial penalty. I've heard of others in a similar vein.

R0bert

OZGIRL, sorry about misattributing your comment to Celivia. I'll try to be more careful in future. Must say, I still agree, though!

Phil

Woo. Too Much Info, but thanks for pointing out your not against birth control[I guess].

I mean dont you have something else to do?

Why are you so drawn to what is clearly a womens issue AND not one for public debate anyway.

Robert good answer.

I guess in this day and age it would be fair to say if the guy didnt want a child then he should have an out as well.

Its only fair.
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Someone should really start another post on that.

One way to fix it would be to cut unmarried mothers pensions and make them pay for their own way.

In this day and age there is no excuse.

Children should only be raised in a stable home of married couples who have planned to have them raise them and pay for them themselves.

This drug should be supplied free to everybody else along with the pill.

Bring on the drug for the man as well as the women.

Bille and Snout Ozgirl Celivia keep up the good work.

Ozgirl before you bite my head off about the single mother thing its a general approach to stop these young girls having two four an five kids to different dads at the tax payers expence.

I think the Government should run some[uncool adds like smoking aimed at umarried young girls with kids]

This drug looks pretty good compaired to that.

We are the largest nation of unmarried mother in the world.


Thats truely shameful.

I dont know about this writers words > Pregnany is not a diseaese, Its getting that way.

We should not encourage our young ones to think its cool and ok to have kids outside married with no means to support them.
Its not cool , its totally uncool.

Tony Abbott should be able to see that.

We are loosing our reputation as a nation.

Bring on the drugs but test them on child rapists and murders and leave the animals alone

Wendy,
I think that the single mother situation is in itself a subjective issue..that is, not all single mothers are created equal..
I can only say that I am not a goverment statistic and I do what I believe is ehthically right in my case.
We need to have an open mind.I do not take offence.

In this case I think that banning pro choice for women in relation to single mums or what ever is a bad thing , if men are so against it they should stand up and be counted instead of leaving females pregant with life they helped create to endure a lifetime of scorn and being degraded by society for being fallen women to raise alone children who are wonderful and bright...Wendy that is the REAL DISGRACE...that society does,nt take a baleanced veiwpoint.

Wendy,
The raising and nurturing of children is not a secret womans issue; It is a whole of society issue. We must guard our society from irresponsible social attitudes that sacrifice children to the gods of pleasure. Present society has become obsessed with personal pleasure rather than responsibility for the health and wellbeing of sound and secure families. Since the advent of the pill many women have become sexually liberated, permissive and adulturous, abandoning their children for immediate self gratifaction.

The pill was introduced to free women from unwanted pregnancies and child abuse. Never in the history of man have we seen so much child abuse and neglect by irresponsible women and their lovers. Government must step in and act to reverse the trends. Government has a responsibility to make sure our society stays strong with children and their nurture. It would appear that many women on this thread treat ants smaller than a grain of rice and their eggs higher than children, and they step on them everyday without thought.

Philo,

That's some extreme thinking that's captured you. It's called moral anger. To free yourself, I recommend that you challenge your findings about life until you turn them gray, instead of black and white, good vs. evil, etc.

"Rarity from the Hollow"