Ozgirl

Thank you for your kind words.

Your very Sweet.

Truth is its not Philo that really upsets me.

Its the knowledge of have and the footage I have and the silence from the good church people.

He just rubs it in because god forgive me I am starting to hate these type of people.

I sit here and look at this stuff daily that is not allowed to be shown on TV to the public because its so bad!.

Not to Mention run by people like the Le courts Murdock ,Packer Amana vanstone all media gaints Ministers and plenty more in poositions of power.
Talk about conflict of interest and pulling the wool over the publics eyes.
Then I read this bloody concern for something thats not even born and complete lack of respect for womens rights for something less than the size of a grain of rice and I just loose it.

I dont care what people say or think about me Ozgirl.

I would gladly cop the worst critisim from every person in the world and lay down my life this second if i could only make the church people see it iS their responsibility instead of carrying on over a womens right to have or not to have children.

The Good news for everybody I wont post on this page anymore Ozgirl out of manners towards the ONO and the other posters.

they are all a nice bunch.
Did you read roberts book?

If you have a moment please let me know?

You can click on my email address here.

www.halakindmeats.com
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Wendy,

That would be a shame as I like to read your contributions..and it seems most of the girls on here do as well...

I felt a bit out of place and came under a bit of fire when I 1st started to post but I just plugged along regardless as I felt my opinion, even if not popular was still valid as another way to look at an arguement..All our opinions are valid and deserve equal measure of respect.

Wendy and Ozgirl,

Don't quit! You two are the most reasonable commentors here.

On adoption: My daytime job is as a therapist in a children's mental health program. During evenings, I also review and approve or not home studies of West Virginians (U.S.) interested in adopting children from China and Vietnam, mostly. As a summary statement: orphanages are filled to the brim, children residing therein do not receive the love needed to possibly become healthy kids or adults, and about the last thing the world needs at this time is more kids waiting and hoping for a real family to love them because that usually never happens. I don't know about where you live, but in the U.S., a very high proportion of incarcerated adults were abused, neglected, and/or abandoned as children. And, it's generational -- adults maltreated as children are more likely to abuse, neglect, and abandon their own children. In short, with some privately arranged exceptions, adoption is not an alternative to abortion.

BTW, did the link to my novel work?

Robert Eggleton
"Rarity from the Hollow"

Wendy
Fully understandable when you lose it with religious people- I think no-one blames you for speaking out. If you hadn’t written about it I wouldn’t have known about the total lack of interest from churches about animal abuse. They should be ashamed! Would make a good point too in the Animal Abuse article thread!

As I am an atheist, I cope with my deal of criticism from religious people.
Anyway, the bible is full of violence, sexual misconduct, murder, slaughter, disrespect and it’s not only the ‘people’ in the bible who act violently, God himself I think, and I wrote that in another thread as well, needed anger management badly.
I am not saying that I disagree with all doctrines or commandments in principle; some may be reasonable guidance for people without a concious (Like you shouldn’t kill your parents or something) and match my own view (from my own conscious I already knew that I should not kill my parents). But opinions I reject because I disagree- for example the view on abortion, or on gay issues. None of the church’s business.

Wendy, OZ-Girl, if you’re in the mood, read this article about how wonderfully compassionate religious people are.

If you want to read it: http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=4768 for the article or

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4768 for the comments.

Robert E this is a really good point you are making that adoption is not an alternative to abortion. Great reasons to support that opinion.
Even in some of these orphanages or Christian institutions that look after children waiting to be adopted, child abuse is an issue.

Celivia,
You wouldnt have a clue. How many Christian adoption agencies and child welfare homes have you lived or worked in? My wife cared for eight children waiting foster care or adoption, all were very well treated. They came to her sich and and affected by drugs, because she was a nurse and a mother she was able to give them the appropiate care and love. I have a close friend who has cared for 158 children abused by their family removed by DOCS and placed in her care while waiting permanent placement [she was employed by Dalmar Children's Home].

It was not as illinformed Celvia posted, "Christian institutions that look after children waiting to be adopted, child abuse is an issue."

Christian institutions do not abuse the children it is their parents.

Philo, I admire the work of looking after these children you/your wife are doing. I truly mean that, good on you!

But you read over the word SOME and quoted only the last part of my sentence. Let me quote the first half: "Even in some of these orphanages or Christian institutions..."

Of course, it would be wrong to state that abuse of children happens in every care home or institution! I never said that.

It was not my intention to personally attack anyone, but we all know that abuse can happen in places where children are being looked after. Until we admit that this is happening in SOME places, things won't improve.

Same goes for pedophiles in churches who sexually abuse children.
It has to get out in the open- so it can be stopped! Not a good idea if churches protect pedophiles. I'm sure you agree with me here, Philo, if you have the best interest for children at heart.