Having said that , let me say this, lets all agree to disagree and

respect each others veiwpoint anyway?

Scout tries to be balanced and fair in her arguements and Celivia I

have not had a chance to interact with you before but you also have a

a similiar line to Scout.

Wendy tells it like it is and comes from the heart.

A topic well debated.Diversity of opinion is a good thing..Cheers

Snout,
“Further alienating males from responsibility for, and investment in, discussions around parenting and reproductive choices is not the solution.”
Well said, I totally agree.

OZGIRL,
Diversity of opinion is indeed a great thing, agreed.
Do you have an opinion on methotrexate as an abortion method?
Did you, in the heat of the discussion forgot to mention what your opinion is or haven't you an opinion on this yet? Just curious.

Wendy, hi!
“Its about a womens right to decide if she wishes to take a tablet to ensure she does not become pregnant.”
This article was not really on contraception, although the conversation went off-topic a few times so nobody can blame you for the confusion; it was about the drug methotrextate that is being used in the treatment of cancer, but that an Sydney abortion clinic now uses as a trial to terminate pregnancies.
So this is not a topic supposed to be about prevention/contraception, which is no doubt only a woman’s right and decision; the basic topic was whether this chemical drug, methotrexate would be safe as a prescription drug for women to take to terminate their pregnancy.

So the topic actually was on abortion, but basically on the safety of this chemical drug- it was really more a women’s health issue than a women’s right issue because the question was not on ethics of abortion but on the safety of a drug to be used for pregnant women.
There was also the underlying question whether the writer of this article, rather obviously a pro-lifer, just wanted to scare women out of having abortions by writing about the danger of this chemical and the danger of women being mislead by their abortion clinic into informing them that it is safe.

“Possibly someone could make a man pill for them to take before they have sex/ Now theres a thought.!”
Wendy, lol, your wish may come true, read this: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3543478/ about male contraception!

Celivia, please give me strength-post to Seeker to placate a particularly long dummy spit-..'would you agree to something like that?.....' 11/8/06-11:/8/06 -11:36 pm..who gives a toss what he would agree to?he had no credibility in his attempt to have us all cry for poor 'victimised' men (get out the tissues and a little something for his PMT) a nauseating rave.He just tried to contemptously discredit 3 female posters ,who are much more authoratative in this subject simply because they are, by their gender, the subject of the debate .

He was trying to make the issue about men, just as men have always done.
We have to have a veiw either way ,a little bit pregnant means not much really.(pardon the pun)

Celivia, I wish you'd posted that link over on the Catholic/gay thread. Zero sperm count - the answer to concerns about gays wasting sperm, a massive quandry solved for some who want to be loving but just can't cope with that wasted sperm.

Seriously though a great idea, some will be reluctant to use it - these things take time but once it's available that's one excuse gone.

I take your point that the thread should be about the use of a particular substance as a form of abortifact but then when does any discussion that touches on abortion in any form avoid becoming yet another discussion about the wider issues.

OZGIRL while men are held accountable for a decision that they have no involvement in making then it is our business. See Celivia's point about one aspect of that and my follow up. If you buy into the idea that the guy gets his choice when sex occurs then I don't see many pro-choice people spouting that line in regard to women, thats the no-choice argument. We are not all deserters, wife beaters, cheaters etc. Please don't let what seems to be your own bad experience colour your whole view of men, there are good ones and bad ones just as there are good and bad women (and some in the middle).

R0bert

I don't think any drug (or food, air, water, etc.) should be promoted as "safe." The best anything we consume can be regarded is as the safest alternative and/or preferred option given the circumstances. The same is true for a medical procedure. I've never referred a girl to our Women's Health Center and who later had a medical problem because she chose to have an abortion, but I alway worry about it when making the referral to their counseling component. Heck, recently, a healthy female softball player died in a local hospital during a minor procedure. Further, subsequent findings frequently announce additional risks of drugs, such as the recent caution that antidepressants can cause suicidal thinking when prescribed to adolescents.

BTW, my novel has held a five star rating by Mobipocket for the last three days. Of course, such goes up and down as readers vote.

Robert Eggleton
"Rarity from the Hollow"

Rob E, of course “safe” in a medical context is always a relative concept: such decisions always involve weighing up the relative risks of one course of action over another.

Your concerns over pregnancy counseling suggest a lack of confidence in the quality of the service you refer to. Good counseling is not about promoting one outcome above another: it’s about providing the space for the client to make an informed choice and to fully explore the ramifications of each of her possible options. The best outcome is one that the client is most happy to commit to. This is not always the choice we would make ourselves. Good counselors are very clear about this, and aware of how their own personal views can potentially scuttle the process.

OZGIRL, I hear your discomfort with having this topic opened up to any Tom Dick or Harry with their own agenda, and if you look through my posts on this thread I’ve tried to be vigilant to challenge anyone I thought was being disingenuous. But I’d be very uncomfortable with having restrictions placed on posters based on their (often assumed) gender, race, life experience or whatever. If people say things that are irrelevant or stupid then they should be challenged on that basis. Diversity of opinion, as Celivia says, is a good thing. It helps us to refine our own views and arguments and sometimes helps us to open to new ideas.

Thanks to all who’ve contributed: you’ve got me thinking.