Faith, Lacy Dawn's best friend, wouldn't tell anybody what her daddy did to her every time mommy went shopping because she knew that nobody would believe her.

"Rarity from the Hollow"

OZGIRL, well said that most women are responsible and making informed decisions about abortion.

However, I think that this issue does not necessarily only concern women. I don’t feel that men should be left out of the discussion as some men do have an open mind and something worthwhile to say, and sometimes from a different angle. Everybody is free to have opinions on any issue and share them.

A pregnant woman can take into account what her partner has to say about abortion, but men should also accept that women naturally have the last say and the final decision is her’s.
Both men and women can give their opinion on the use of this pill.

My personal opinion remains that the surgical method is preferable because it is more effective, cleaner and quicker, but that the methotrexate methode is OK for women who prefer this.

Seeker, I hope there will be an article to be discussed about the points you are raising and I agree with you that paternity fraud is disgraceful. If there’s going to be an article and discussion on this, I’d be happy to join in. I’m not sure if this is the right place to have this discussion.

Seeker, if you have sex with a woman there is always the risk of pregnancy. Both the man and woman must take responsibility. Even if contraception is used, there still is a small risk. It’s just one of those things that doesn’t seem fair but still happens- one would call it ‘life’ and we just have to deal with life the best we can. A man over 30 who never wants children can always choose to have a vasectomy.

Robert, I had no idea who you were or what you meant so I googled you. Good on you that part of the proceeds of your book are designated to prevent child abuse. It’s nice to make us curious about your new book which sounds interesting, but do you also have an opinion about the use of methotrexate for the purpose of abortion?

Wow what a great discussion, full of heat and passion and so much more besides. I'd like to know what the forum thinks of Bill Clinton's take on abortion when he said it sould be safe, legal and rare.

Celivia,

Thanks for the Google. Except that I was once a member of NOW, as a man I have no medical (or other) expertise that should influence a woman's decision. My main interest is the prevention of child abuse, and, as you noted, my novel, which will make you cry and laugh, is a means to this end in West Virginia where I work as a therapist in a children's mental health program. Sadly, some of my kids would have been better off if ...fetal alcohol syndrome, unloved, or confiscated by the State because mommy built a meth lab....

Abortion is always a controversy in my group therapy session with teens. As with this newest procedure, I abstain from acting like I know crap. I know what I know. Otherwise, I'm a dumbass willing to learn only what I'm convinced is truthful. You sound like a good source to start with.

BTW, a satirical essay about self-promotion of my novel is at www.wingspanquarter.com. The online is free.

Robert Eggleton
"Rarity from the Hollow"
robert_t@charter.net

Celivia,

Hi you raise some interesting points and whilst you believe that men should be allowed to enter the debate, thats fine, as long as their not telling women how to feel and how to act..the last word does rest with the woman and so that effectively goes back to my point, it is a womans issue.
Tony Abbot is one example.
Their is mens and womens business wether we like it or not...been around as long as mankind.
Thats is the way it should be,women in the kitchen 'pregnant and barefoot'(thats how the guys wanted it, and it still to a large degree is the same,times havent changed that much), men go to work and all the blokey stuff surrounding that..women are not invited into that world, generally speaking of course.
So why should a woman, who's voice in the male wilderness is so small and inconsequential, comparatively speaking that is(we dont start and drive wars for instance), give men rights over the most sacred part of her life..her capacity to nurture life.The one right a man cannot take from her.
You are quite correct about my position here..i make no apology.It has always been a mans world and so far , the managers(heads of goverments) have allowed their testosterone to do the talking..wars ,destruction.
Now you say you guys want to manage our uterus?thats hilarious.

If men were responsible for their own fertility,instead of leaving it in the hands of women who may exploit this, they have nothing to fear..paternity tests exist..be responsible..why should all the burden of responsibility lay with the female..?You guys leave it all up to women, of course these things will happen, human nature.
No place for gullibility.

Seeker, 'more abortions not less'..i can only glean from this that ? is this correct...u do have a slightly different take on this as opposed to the other males on this forum,but more abortions is not the answer...men being responsible for their own fertility is absolutely the answer..mothers and fathers teaching their sons to protect themselves from unscrupulous women and accidental pregnancy. As always the solution comes back to education, for whatever issue is before us.I teach my son now and hes only 10.