I believe that the rights of women in the abortion debate are first and foremost, it has to be.

We cannot and should not force a woman to give birth to an unwanted baby no matter who and which groups are offended by it.

Philo is very rigid in his veiws and sends a chill down the spine of compassionate christians who do not spew forth fire and brimstone to drive home a point.

When men are responsible for fertility,by either using adequate protection, or indeed ever find themselves in a position where they are suddenly the birthgivers on this planet, then I think we would find a complete back flip in this whole debate.

Come on guys,Id like to see you step into our shoes for a bit AND THEN come back and at least put forth a an arguement based on something other than hot air.

Steve

Thanks

Try not to let you down.

What are you doing on this post anyway havent you read about my cross dress theory.?[grin]

Seeker thanks for your comment.

Oz girl I agree with your above comment.

As Celiva pointed out however I think its supposed to be more about the actual drug.

People like me tend to jump the gun thinking its all a ploy from the Church trying to ban abortion again.

The last thing we need is for things to go back to backyard abortion with its coruption deaths and cover ups.

All terminations and this drug should be covered by medi care.

I met with Steve Fielding who is one of sixteen kids to discuss dare I say live exports.

It was clear to me he was more interested in terminations than anyone, or anything, thats already here on this earth like you and I.

We need to all be very careful that Tony Abbott does not get his way down the track through the Family first vote.

That would be really Scary.

Somebody should have told his and Tonys mums about this pill so we didnt have to put up with them trying to force us to have children we either cant afford or simply do not want.

Now I will duck for cover for the next twenty hours while I am attacked for my comments from the bible bashers.

PS Oh and Senator Fielding I am still waiting for a reply from you.

I know its only been two years.

The God I know has compassion and he wants the Church to teach that to others.

He told me that people of the Church who dont do that are hypocrites.

Its not too late to lead the way instead of being a puppet to
Howard.

Surely the fund raising ball didnt leave you that obligated.?

Respect womans rights to make up their own minds, surely that is the most basic right of every human being.

Respect ALL life and creatures and stop living behind the Vaile.

OZGIRL,

In today’s modern world where mothers are not forced into motherhood just because they become pregnant, men should not be forced into parenthood either - financial or otherwise.

If abortion is permissible on the grounds that it may negatively impact one’s education or career aspirations, marriage plans, mortgage repayment schedule, or in the prevention of psychological trauma such as may be caused by worry or even embarrassment, and the abortion is readily and safely accessible to the tune of one third of all pregnancies, why should it not be also an option for men?

Men could file for wrongful pregnancy, the court could order an abortion using (methotrexate, RU486 or as preferred by the defendant – let’s retain free choice). If the court order is ignored (as most of the family law court orders are, by women), the plaintiff is automatically absolved from all future responsibility.

Similarly, men should be able to sue for wronful life, any time up to the child’s 18th birthday, if for any reason they did not think of it earlier, or in cases of paternity fraud.

Seeker, you are missing the point altogether..its not about men and their rights in any way shape or form.

My point is that once a child is conceived, under any circumstance, then it becomes entirely about the rights of the baby and the expecting mother.Noone has any right to place undue pressure on the mother to keep her child unless she herself wishes to do so.

What happens for instance if a mother were forced to keep her child?
In most cases she would resent it and most likely would abuse and neglect that child.A lot of pregnancies are the result of rape and coersion by brutal husbands and the choices are ripped away from women.I would never carry a child as the result of a rape, that would be my choice.Women carry the burden of most families, single or married.The burden of responsibility lays with them..so if men are happy for this to be the case, I feel they have no right of reply when the tough decisions need to be made.

Most women do not take lightly the decision to terminate a pregnancy, no matter what you may think.
In some cases,such as gender selection, mothers should be counselled to ensure she has thought it thru to its fullest extent.But no matter
how any one feels about it, the right or wrong of it, its her decision and she must be respected and given support.

Wendy I am in full agreeance with you on this.

When I say 'carry the burden' I mean that women are the backbone of most families,not to be confused with women carrying the financial burden,although some do that as well.
In most cases if the woman leaves, the glue that holds the family gives way, so the burden of responsibility is hers in that way, the most important way.

OZGIRL,
Could you identify for me on what occasions I have threatened brimstone to prove a point. This identifies your imagined paranoia rather than an honest assessment of my position.

You said, "Philo is very rigid in his veiws and sends a chill down the spine of compassionate christians who do not spew forth fire and brimstone to drive home a point."

Wendy also shows her paranoia and obsession rather than honesty about the views of those that respect human life; with this. "We need to all be very careful that Tony Abbott does not get his way down the track through the Family first vote. That would be really Scary. Somebody should have told his and Tonys mums about this pill so we didnt have to put up with them trying to force us to have children we either cant afford or simply do not want."

We well recognise your hatred of children because it interferes with your career and your despising of those that love family.