Yabby

Celivia was kind enough to direct us to another post which is about Animal Welfare.

Why dont you go on there and I will be more than happy to continue to post to you.

Dont believe everything people tell you or the papers for that matter considering the conflict of interest in ownership of live exports and media giant, ministers etc.

There is no reason plants cant be re opended.

I am sure the country areas can use the jobs.

Packers and others have been employing people from overseas when they cant get Aussies.

We also have a programe to establish joint ventures with overseas live importers and aboriginal regional farmers.

This includes cosmetics [ non animal tested] vegetables, Roo Ranches and tourism.

The farmers are happy to sell so long as they get a good price.

I personally have a MOU with AFIC the Australian Federation Of Islamic Council and Councils.

I have met with Malaysian Government and Middle Eastern Reps.

If you have sheep or any other stock to sell we would be happy to speak with you.

Please see www.halakindmeats.com

To everybody else I apoligise for being off post

The intake of drugs not natural to the human body that have toxic effects do have side effects. We learnt today of studies done on breast cancer where their mothers used DFS to avoid natural abortion that the effects of the drug stimulated cancer in the breast in the daughter.

No Wendy, no need to apologise. Live sheep exports are performed by nasty, cruel, evil men, while abortions, by pretty little princesses who would not harm a pea, let alone something the size of a grain of rice. I’m now equally convinced these same men perpetrate the wrongful pregnancies.

Sheep abuse? Australia says NO.

Philo “The intake of drugs not natural to the human body .. blah .. that the effects of the drug stimulated cancer in the breast in the daughter. “

So What !

One of the most tragic pharmacological drugs was thalidomide.

Except for those suffering Leprosy and multiple myeloma (yet another form of cancer), for which it was approved in 2003 by the TGA and is currently being tested for use to battle prostate cancer, glioblastoma, lymphoma, and Crohn's disease.

The point, any “drug”, by definition, is “not natural” to the human body but that does not mean they are incapable of producing benefits,

Even though, with thalidomide, the side effects for the unborn, can be almost as devastating as abortion.

Philo “The intake of drugs not natural to the human body that have toxic effects do have side effects. We learnt today of studies done on breast cancer where their mothers used DFS to avoid natural abortion that the effects of the drug stimulated cancer in the breast in the daughter.”

Yes, indeed a scary thing about that DES drug :(
The prescription and taking of drugs in pregnancy must be administered with extreme care. Drugs that have harmful effects on the foetus are of course clearly categorised as such and easily avoided.

What is more concerning are drugs that are vaguely suspected of having a harmful effect on the foetus and drugs that haven’t been shown to have an effect because of the lack of experience with these drugs.

But the methotrexate drug used as an abortion drug is found to be safe for women to use, and there seems to have been sufficient experience with it in many countries.

Of course, pregnant women also should avoid tobacco and alcohol use- these substances can have a negative effect on their unborn child- let alone the effect illicit drugs can have. It angers me to know that some pregnant women (binge) drink and smoke. There is no excuse for smoking, drinking, using illicit drugs while pregnant (unless the woman is planning to terminate the pregnancy) - everyone knows by now that taking these drugs can be hazardous to the foetus.

Smoking around a pregnant woman is not OK either- that counts especially for the woman’s partner. Passive smoking can also harm the foetus.

I was administered a dose of methotrexate in a country town hospital to 'resolve' an ectopic miscarriage in 2002. It was my second miscarriage and because it occured in a fallopian tube, no amount of bleeding was going to complete the process of spontaneous abortion.

I bled for weeks, was subjected to blood tests every couple of days to see if hormone levels were falling and was emotionally a wreck as there seemed no end to the misery of losing yet another desperately wanted life. When it was apparent that things were not resolving naturally, my gyno told me about methotrexate treatment and I agreed. I had one injection, and I felt quite off for about two weeks afterward but the relief that I felt at finally getting closure on the trauma was some consolation in a time of grieving.

I believe that this drug should be able to be used for proper therapeutic purposes such as in my case. I don't know that it would be appropriate for aborting healthy embryos or cytoblasts (or whatever they are called when they are still a bunch of cells) because if it is true that death occurs slowly, this would constitute inhumane treament in my opinion. If a woman wants to rid herself of unwanted progeny, let it be done in the quickest, most efficient manner possible in respect for the life that is being taken.

In terms of women not being informed, I think the author insults the intelligence of the women involved. After my talk with the gyno, I went home and googled 'methotrexate' and found out all about it. I went ahead with the procedure fully informed. It is not just the responsibility of the doctor to inform the patient, but the patient should also take steps to inform themselves.