Irfan – if you actually read the post, you would have seen that I was answering Bazz’s question on cousin-marriage within the Muslim world – does the truth bother you for some reason?

" ...perhaps dee is telling us that slaughtering civilians is permissible if the victims are in-bred."

Yes, perhaps there is some dire hidden meaning in your cornflakes too. Best example of putting words into someone else's mouth I've seen all week. This rubbish is typical of you Irf. I’m used to your absurd accusations, so I wont bother to respond, except to note that you are still leaping to giant assumptions and finding meanings that are not there. Its like a reflex action with you - the mildest criticism of Muslims or their beliefs triggers your victim mindset into immediate action. Where do you get this nonsense, because you certainly didn’t get it from my brief post.

"They'll find plenty of extremist fruitloops to report on."

Strange that you never mention the ‘fruitloops’ in positions of leadership in the Muslim community. Its a pity that you refuse to respond to reasonable questions (you have never anwered even one query of mine)- but its easier to play the poor put-upon victim, isnt it.

Dee, Irf doesn't read the posts, he reacts to the first two lines. Must be quite a drawback in his professional life. Perhaps that is why he is in the Liberal Party, for the moment (WHAT, the Liberal Party has branch stacking, isn't that the charge they level at the ALP at every opportunity).

The problem for some on this forum is that Israel has not adopted their cute multicultural society, or more precisely, has not sought to make Hizbollah or HAMAS feel sufficiently welcome in their society. The sticking point appears to be their avowed intention to destroy Israel.

Perhaps all the israeli's should just pack up and leave?

It is interesting, none appear to have any problem with Syria's stated position that if it is attacked for the actions of Hizbollah (it's proxy), it will respond and keep responding. Whereas Israel only responded to continued bombardment, exercising incredible restraint, after it was compounded by a military incursion into a disputed area of Northern Israel (for the idiot that called it Southern Lebanon, it ain't, it used to be Syria until 1973).

I foresee massive casualties coming out of the ground offensive. Israel will shepherd the Shia into Syria, but will use aerial cavalry (gunships) to interdict the Lebanese side of the Syrian border. I don't think they will have either the time or the inclination to discriminate between armed and unarmed civilians, and I don't care.

Inshallah

2bob

2Bob - "Irf doesn't read the posts, he reacts to the first two lines."

I notice that Irf is especially virulent when unpalatable facts like cousin marriage or the genital mutilation of females are mentioned. Apparently, anyone who is negative about Islam 'hates all Muslims' - I have been accused of this on several occasions. Yet when directly challenged to list the benefits and positives of Islam (as I have asked him to do approximately 5 times), he is silent. If Irf, as a Muslim, cannot list the benefits and positives of Islam, why does he ask it of others? Because its easier to accuse and play the victim than to admit that Islam has serious problems.

"Perhaps all the israeli's should just pack up and leave?"

This is what some people appear to expect and of course it will never happen. Its a waste of time to debate anything with people who think this way because the existence of Israel is a fact and it cannot be undone. From a rational point of view, Israel cannot sit still any longer, it must take action. If Hezbollah etc had definable Headquarters, no doubt the Israelis would target them, but since they work from home and hide among the civilian population, the IDF doesnt have much choice.

Perhaps more blame should be directed at the Lebanese government for tolerating the antics of Hezollah and co. Unfortunately, its always the little people who suffer.

dee: "Israel is a fact and it cannot be undone." Hm, but can't it clean up its act? Cease the carpet bombing of Gaza and Lebanon, rescind its apartheid legislation, withdraw from the Palestinian territories and the Golan Heights, admit responsibility for the Great Ethnic Cleansing of 48-49, facilitate the right of return of all Palestinian refugees, make amends to its victims and promise to behave from now on? Can't the abuser be reformed?

Why can't "the abuser be reformed?" As "Naif" as I am... I am with U Strewth.

Thank-You for being Up-Front, brave and so dammed CLEAR!

'Whereas Israel only responded to continued bombardment, exercising incredible restraint, after it was compounded by a military incursion into a disputed area of Northern Israel (for the idiot that called it Southern Lebanon, it ain't, it used to be Syria until 1973).'

It is a matter of dispute who actually 'owns' Shaba Farms. But one thing is not in dispute. The Israelis don't and they had launched military incursions into that area.
Syria did not always 'own' Shaba Farms. Originally it was part of the French Mandate.The UN allocated that stretch of land to the Syrians but both Syria and Lebanon acknowledge and argue it to be part of Lebanon. I reckon the bunch of misfits at the UN got it wrong as usual and I'd tend to align myself with the people closest to the 'action'. That's plain commonsense. Wouldn't you agree?

You would do better to read what's written and develop some little ability at comprehension of the points being made before you launch into unsubstantiated personal attacks. Especially when those attacks are directed at people who quite rightly are entitled to hold opinions different to your own.

Here are a couple of links that might give you a lesson in the very basic complexities of the situation in South Lebanon and Syria. It is simply written so you won't have to much difficulty in gaining at least a little balanced comprehension...rather than just blindly accepting generalised Israeli propaganda.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/lebanon/2002/1125rem.htm
Good background on the region.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/740251.html
Yes this second Site is an Israeli perspective published on the front page of an Israeli publication and unfortunately for you it totally supports my claim.

Mate Stupid? Yep one of us has been a tad, but that's only because of ignorance.

Enjoy your reading and your opportunity to grow with wisdom