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Aboriginal culture: who wants it, who needs it? : Comments

By John Morton, published 26/5/2006

Debates on Indigenous issues are bogged down in stereotypes.

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To bushbred. Thankyou for your interesting post.Your knowledge is humbling and I do hope people take the time to read it.
Speaking of history I would like you to take a look at this please. www.halakindmeats,com.

We would be most interested to contact you regarding a proposal for Minister Mal broth regarding aboriginal people.
Considering its based around sheep and cattle farms in regional areas we hope you might be interested to hear us out about this project.

Dont worry about the negative replies from some of them your posts is one of rare personal hands on knowledge.

Did you ever know any share farmers who were aboriginal?

Again thankyou bushbred.
Posted by Wendy Lewthwaite, Monday, 29 May 2006 4:24:35 AM
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It is ludicrous to suggest that Australian aboriginal culture is of any value to present day Australia, or that we can learn anything useful from that culture.

Australian aboriginal culture was stone-age, hunter-gatherer - living from one feed to the next when white settlers arrived. For people of aboriginal descent who have not assimilated with the wider population, it is now a culture of handouts and primitive, childish stories.

Unless white, Western culture stops wacking on about such nonsense and looking to it's own future, our culture will go the same way. The rot has already started, with the continued importing of alien cultures and foreign workers to cut our standards of living. At least the original inhabitants can be excused for not being able to keep us out. We, on the other had, are wiping ourselves out! Or, rather we are allowing our politicians to wipe us out.

Unlike indigenous Australians, we can still save ourselves. But it seems that the majority of white Australians have become too complacent and dopy to realise what is happening, preferring to listen to media rubbish about less that 4% or the population, what's happening to the white man's burden overseas and pandering to people who refuse to do anything for themsleves and to those who have plonked themselves on us
Posted by Leigh, Monday, 29 May 2006 11:03:02 AM
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Zorro.
First I am not your little black fella dog. Do your own research. Nay that would be a waste of time. Zoro that halo of your’s would blind you to the good in Indigenous culture.

What is good about Indigenous culture?

Their spiritual connection and the Dreamtime stories are obvious.

One aspect that is truly remarkable is the diversity of language - not merely just dialects but distinct languages. Pre-invasion many Indigenous folk were fluent in three or four languages. For instance: a Yolngu from Arnhem land will not understand a Pitjantjatjara from Western Desert . I know you think: ”So savages just grunting monosyllables.” Linguists say that Aboriginal languages are as grammatically rich and syntactically rich as European languages.

Pre invasion there is estimated there was about 750.000 Indigenous, Now there are around 200,000.
There was 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languages. Now I have no figures but at least 50 are extinct and hundreds more wrecked or struggling.

Below is a sample of Indigenous peoples’ language.

Altaic branch Tungusic, Evenki Manchu, Sibo, Nanai.
Basque branch
Australian Aboriginal branch:

Western central branch : Gariera, Dalaindji, Ingada, Nanda, Amangu, Yued, Wadjug, Wudjari.

Western Desert branch: Mangala, Womeri, Gerradjari, Nyamai, Bigong, Wanggada, Pitjanjatjara, Gugada, Wanayaga, Walbiri, Ngadi, Ngadi, Mudbura.

Northern: Njul, Bad, Alawa, Yauor, Djaud, Nyigina, Bunaba, Wunambai, Worana, Ungarinyin, Guluwarin, Gunian, Bagu, Gwini, Malag –malag, Worgaidi, Laragia, Margu, Marung.

Eastern North: Wikmunkan, Gandju, Koko-Yimidir, Yungurara, Boluwai, Gia, Gudjali, Iba, Kalkadoon, Pittapitta, Goa, Mujuli.

Eastern South: Danggali, Gandangara,Wirdjuri,Katiang,Danggadi,Wongaibon,Kamilori,Banbai, Bandjalong,Kabi,Wanggumarra,Barundji,Gunu,Gogai,Turrubul,Dippil.

Aranda branch: Antegarinya,Yangundjadjara,Gaidiji.

South-eastern: Durawal, Durga,Djadjall,Djedjuwuru,Wadjawuru,Wurundjeri,

Tasmania: Southern, Northern (can’t find Indigenous names maybe because all killed off).

What a significant and truly amazing cultural heritage that, although degraded, must be preserved. This will contribute to making our counry one with more spirit and soul - rather than a monocultural 1984 style place
Posted by rancitas, Monday, 29 May 2006 11:24:58 AM
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ZORRO continued.
The invaders culture:
The racist invaders blinded by their Christian halo and their real culture of RUM, SODOMY, IGNORANCE , HYPOCRISY and the LASH stupidly and illegally destroyed and degraded these peoples’ lives and culture.

The invaders didn’t just steal their land and the colonisers didn’t just steal their children and murder their people they destroyed whole communites and degraded the cultural heritage. And still the radicals like Zorro, Leigh can’t see the problem.

What I like about modern urban Indigenous cultures? Recently they held a Sorry Day memorial in a park near us. An Indigenous speaker, whose Mum was taken away at age five, said: “ Nine kids were forcibly removed, my grandmother was shot dead while trying to save the kids and mum limped all her life after being shot in the top of the right leg.
“They are were sent to different places throughout the state and were not allowed
to be reunited.
“My aunty was about 26 when she was eventually reunited with one of her sisters.”

The way Indigenous deal with these tragedies is truly noble. They have truly noble cultural influence to do that. We need these positve influence in our society more than ever.

What else is good? Their art, their music - they sings songs of justice that suggest to me a culture that has a developed sense of justice - unlike our country’s rulers and Leigh and Zorro.

Archie Roach, Kev Carmody,Jimmy Little, Warumpi Band comes to mind. I like the way Indigenous culture has influenced our art and music. Paul Kelly and even punk rockers Frenzal Rhomb and punk rappers The Herd. I like Rainer’s posts. They contrinute to making this country a more cultural divrse and meaningful place.

Zorro take good look at Indigenous culture – it’s good.

PEACE AND LOVE – Nah gotta be a fair dinkum macho mainstream Aussie – ALCOHOL, DRUGS, HEADKICKING, BLACKBASHING,WIFEBASHING,KIDFIDDLING,HYPOCRITICAL, PORNOCONSUMING,MONEYGRUBBIING,LANDWRECKERS,WARMONGERING, IMMORAL SELLOUTS. Yeah you stereotype - you throw stones at other cultures. Not in Australia's name.
Posted by rancitas, Monday, 29 May 2006 11:33:59 AM
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If white people inflicted pain on young boys by cruel and unhygenic "Initiation Ceremonies" the way Aborigines incredibly are still allowed to do, the perpetrators would be jailed. Some "Culture!"

If women and children were raped and burnt in a white community the way they are being treated so cruelly in Aboriginal communities, the children would be removed from danger and no beg-pardons. That this is not being done because of the myth of the so called "Stolen Generation" is a measure of political weakness.
Posted by Big Al 30, Monday, 29 May 2006 2:23:16 PM
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Over the past few years , a lot of Myths appear to have become facts.
The 'noble warrior' is now known for the myth it is.
'World's oldest people' ,I would say bunkum! to that. The aboriginal may have been one of the most isolated but that would be all. If that was correct ,where did the rest of us come from. A cabbage patch?
That Aboriginals have been left to rot in a primitive state is an indictment on all Australian governments. In over two hundred years ,they are no more advanced than they were in the beginning, they have been robbed of the chance of being equal in education and employment.
I wish we could have more emphasis on what they could achieve given half a chance. The people who should say 'sorry' are the activists, politicians and academics who have held the aboriginals back.
Posted by mickijo, Monday, 29 May 2006 3:53:03 PM
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