To Sam said:

As I'm not in the habit of talking to myself, I won't bother asking myself the "first question", as you suggest Sam. If you want to make a point, please do so in plain language.

To Celivia:

Yes, it is shameful indeed, but not in the sense you intended, I suspect. Shameful that we are continually fed more of this drivel for the sanctity of "indigenous culture", which is an oxymoron if there ever was one.

Racism has been brought into this argument several times. I think one of the most batant instances is the so called "Aboriginal Flag".

It purports to represent one race of people, so it is a racist symbol. Aborigines are Australian citizens. No section of Australians should have their own flag. They are represented by the Australian Flag just as all other sections of the community are.

Some militant Aborigines have attempted to form their own "Provisional Government" and issue their own Passports. No doubt they would expect the rest of us to pay for all this. Then we had the rubbish of the so called "sacred fire" in Melbourne's Domain Gardens, and now we have a special
service at the Shrine to commemorate Aboriginal servicemen. This is surely Apartheid of a kind, meaning "separate development" We fought South Africa's Apartheid, now miitant Aborigines are trying to bring it to Australia.
Knock it on the head now, starting with that flag.

You're right Big Al 30,when Aboriginals stop using their indigineous status as a crutch,they will be far more respected by the rest of society.My hereditary gives me no claim or special status in my indigeneous UK or Australia and to do so implies that I'm in some way inferior.In reality no one owns any land or item,we are all really caretakers for the next generation.

Aborigines need the opportunity to earn something far more important than money,they need the survival component in their lives that will bring out their best talents.

Aborigines are great artists,athletes and interpretors of nature.Given the motivation ,they can achieve much more.We have seen many represented in boxing,the Rugby codes,tennis and athletics.The really big shame is that we have not one representing Australia at this World Cup.

When we stop having this special needs mentality towards them,they will then have the opportunity and courage to do better on their own terms,rather than those of impotent social engineers who can't get a job in the real world.

ZORRO
What's the matter with students? I like students they have inquiring minds (here I am).

An academic in a cloistered ivory tower. I am not really an academic but I like my ivory tower.

Invasion is a trendy left-wing word? So what? It describes what happened to the Indigenous peoples (find me?).

Zorro says sprouting my "noble savage" to gullable and ignorant. No I don't recall sprouting about "noble savage". They are your words not mine. I thnk that there are many noble aspects to Indigenous peoples.

Dreamtime stories have a great deal of significance to Indigenous peoples - I respect that.

I love most punk rockers. I love their attitude. That FU attitude, I'll not follow the dominant paradigm like the majority.

No Zorro I didn't cut and paste. I typed them all for people who are serious about understanding the truth rather than just pushing their Hansonite or political position.

I can tell you don't give a rat's about the foundatons of modern thinking - that's obvious.

Beg my pardon my typos and lost noun. And yes you were right to capitalise on that to attack my intellect (or should that be intellectual capacity). Diversion Rancitas hater?

Yes I am proud of my bleeding heart attitude - empathy is a positive character trait. People without that capacity are usually psychopathic (Insert lost noun here. I haven't the intellectual capacity, or is that English skills, to think of an appropriate one).

Beg me pardon my typos and lost noun. And yes you was right to capitalise on that to attack me interlect (or should that be intellectual capacity).

As for part two it clearly indicates to me who the "bloody idiot" really is. OOps I'm such hypocrite such harsh words from a bleeding heart. Of course you're allowed to talk tough without any hypocrisy because you're not a bleeding heart. You funny.

Did you know that criminalogists in an examinaton into far right hate groups noted that the racists usually launch personal attacks on their opponents rather than engage in productive dialogue - this is because they have no valid arguments - just hateful remarks.

You didn't waste your time ZORRO for us, cause you confirmed that racism is alive and well in Australia. As for part two it clearly indicates to me who the "bloody idiot" really is. Beg my pardon my typos and lost noun. And yes you was right to capitalise on that to attack me interlect (or should that be intellectual capacity).

Posters compare my postswhich Zorro says are full of "bile" to ZORRO's and Horus.

You didn't waste your time ZORRO. For us at least, cause you confirmed that racism is alive and well in Australia. PEACE AND LOVE & BIG HUG FOR ZORRO (from my bleeding heart).

All I can say is european settlement is completely the blame for the current situation of remote Aboriginal communities.
With Euroopean culture came the removal of children, removal of land enriched with aboriginal culture and tradition, the braking up of families and the introduction of drugs and alcohol.
These people were expected to immediatly fall into european life and happily give up there children and culture. The result of this is what were seeing today across the news.
These people have nothing making alcohol and drugs a very attractive option out of a miserable life. They havent had the opportunities we have been given, they dont know that life isnt meant to be like that. How could they, everything was taken from them...!

Aboriginal culture is a beautiful culture and Im proud to be apart of it.