Rancitas,
“I'll not follow the dominant paradigm like the majority.”
Disagree-Your views are right up there with those held by the most career conscious academics. And it’s very much the dominant paradigm, in the media & arts world.
Middle Australia doesn’t count- as it was brow beaten long ago into keeping its mouth shut on the issue. The only opposing views you’ll encounter are from a few diehard refuseniks.

“Yes I am proud of my bleeding heart attitude-- empathy is a positive character trait.”
”Agree-Some bleeding-hearts are very selective -
But I’m sure you’re not that sort of bloke. You sound genuine to me.
So, please, I encourage you to contribute as much of your personal fortune as it takes, to whatever worthy cause takes your fancy.

‘Did you know that criminologists in an examination into far right hate groups noted that the racists usually launch personal attacks on their opponents’
Agree-but it seems that criminologists have overlooked a major field of study on the left side of politics. I expect that criminologist haven’t cottoned onto the left yet because they are so professional at it –much better than the amateurish attempts of the right.

‘Racism is alive and well in Australia’
Agree - but its main fountainheads are:
1) People who seek to grant special rights/status to people on the basis of ethnicity
(If there is a need, let any assessment be based on means test –rather than racial ID) &
2) People who seek to demonize other races in the guise of “closure” & “reconciliation”.
Racism is not some affliction endemic to the “white race”, or those on the “right”, it can be found in all races, all nations and all groups.
And if someone does not accept your views on a subject, it does necessarily make them racist

Horus. Most of Zorro, Leigh and your thinking can be found in any right-wing site. It is a dominant thinking in right-wing circles and has taken root in mainstream politics. You and Zorro are just repeatiing stuff that John Stone and other racists rely on. The spittle cliche is a Stoner. No independent thinking here.

So what has the left side of politics to do with Rancitas? Horus your response is such a standard right-wing response? Put 'em in box and kick the box.

Horus I don't belong to any political organisation or group. Do you?

If you Horus can't see the sense in my arguments about why I think that certain groups and their ideas are racist, then what do you hope to achieve by simply asserting platitudes. I haven't seen one logical response from you or the rest of your mob.

You need to ask yourself why you find it necessary to stereotype Rancitas. You need to ask why you need to divert off into tangents about other matters that have little to do with the arguments or opinions that Rancitas has posited.

Zorro for instance launches into a savage personal attack over whether a verb was singular or plural. Did Rancitas attack Horus in that way when you stuffed up with your use of plurals? Did I attack Leigh for his typos? No.

RUM, SODOMY, BLACK BASHING, and SO ON are a part of Australian history and current culture. You get yourself all worked up that the Indigenous peoples' aren't gentrified to your levels while ignoring our own history.

Horus you spend a lot of time trying to discredit Indigenous culture and those that appreciate it. That suggests racist thinking and cultural supremacism.

Your observation that the "white race" can be the brunt of racism is nothing new. The article above was cleary in relation to Indigenous peoples. I responded to posts that were clearly attacking Indigenous culture.

You are bent on bogging down this thread with stereotypes. I find it interesting that Horus to respond on ZORRO's behalf.

No doubt ZORRO ran out of malicious platitudes.

Research indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languages.
Research indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languages.
Research indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languages.
Research indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languagesResearch indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languages.
Research indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languages.
Research indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languages.
Research indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languagesResearch indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languages.
Research indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languages.
Research indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languages.
Research indicates that pre-invasion there were 750,000 indigenous people in Australia, and now there are around 200,000. There were 500 distinct groups using 200 distinct languages.

Research of these posts indicates that post invasion there are many distinct racist groups that are trying to undermine other distinct racial groups and their cultures. This is racism.

Rancitas says:
‘RUM, SODOMY, BLACK BASHING and SO ON are a part of (white) Australian history and current culture’Horus responds: I won’t argue with that. –but will say it has by no means been a central feature of Australian culture.
However, RUM, SODOMY, and SO ON has (also) been a part of Indigenous history & current culture,
With the “SO ON” part when applied to Indigenous Culture, including such unmentionables as child molestation, & wife beating.

We are also finding that WHITE BASHING is becoming an increasing important part of indigenous culture & history. Its seems to be employed to describe away every deficiency of the Aboriginal lifestyle or history.

I know you’re big on “logic” Rancitas so I’m just try to come to grips with your thinking.
Now, Rancitas can say RUM, SODOMY, BLACK BASHING, and SO ON are a part of Australian history and current culture’ and you assume that that is forthright, fair & reasonable.
But if a non-Aboriginal is critical of indigenous cultures/history they are labelled a racist or a cultural supremacist.Hmmm! You are right - I’m no good at this type of logic.

Rancitas says:
‘Horus you spend a lot of time trying to discredit indigenous culture and those that appreciate it.'
Horus responds: I do not seek to discredit indigenous culture. I only to seek to have it portrayed more accurately –others can assess its worth for themselves.

My argument is only with the with the narrative which portrays Pre-European Australia as a Garden of Eden populated by a tolerant, environmentally conscious, Adams & Eves who were cast out of paradise when the evil white serpent stole into the garden.

Horus says: "I do not seek to discredit indigenous culture. I only to seek to have it portrayed more accurately –others can assess its worth for themselves."

Show me where you, and the others you support, have given any positive examples of indigenous culture in this thread. You have put such a negative spin on your "accurate" account of indigenous culture and its worth that I think it clearly points to racism.

You say: "But if a non-Aboriginal is critical of indigenous cultures/history they are labelled a racist or a cultural supremacist.Hmmm!"

The attacks on indigenous culture in this thread go way beyond criticism and off into the realm of spin. I ask again, why do you and your mob focus on the negatives of indigenous culture and yet virtually ignore the same negatives in Euroculture? I think it is because you are trying to discredit the indigenous peoples for political/religious reasons.

You talk about "white bashing". You seem to have a very slanted view of Australian history. I refer you to the many white supremist web sites; to white Australia policies; to the trendy Hansonites; to the fact that the theft of indigenous peoples lands and their children is somehow jusitfied because Euroculture as a whole is supposedly more superior (you and yours are trying to entrench that thinking); your refusal to treat with respect the testimonies of Indigenous people in regard to atrocities and injustices they've endured; our own prime minister who is afraid to check the racist carry on in Australia for fear of an electoral backlash. Like you Horus, he and his Liberal party like to fall back on the "bleeding heart", "do-gooder", "soft-left", "bloody idiot" type of response. No substance.

The incidences of racism against Europeans, especially in policy making, in Australia compared to racism against Indigenous peoples is just not comparable. Indigenous people have put up with too much.

You can whinge and whine all you like about your thinking being identified as racist. I've heard all the excuses - all the "ifs" and "buts". Your approach suggests that your position is racist.

Racitas,
There was an old tradition in Europe, where swordsmen would cherish their scars.The thinking being that it was a sign of honour/worth.
Sometimes your thinking takes on a similar hue-you seem to think there is great merit in playing the game- 'I have more scars than you'.

As I thought we previously agreed, there is no monolithic Aboriginal culture.And there is no universal Aboriginal experience

I was watching “Message Sticks” the other day.
It had a story about young Australians growing up in Broken Hill.
They were Aboriginals & Non-Aboriginals (though frankly I couldn’t tell the difference)
They had;
-Euro-punk hair styles
-Polynesian type tattoos
-Danced to US rap music
-Played AFL &
-Dreamed of doing well in the capitalist world.

This is increasingly “Aboriginal culture”.
Like “Euro culture” it mixes & merges many things from other cultures.It’s something I see increasingly where young Aboriginals are able to escape from the constraints of traditional society.

People like you Racitas, who are stuck in the past are increasingly irrelevant.

It’s less & less about us versus them, and more & more about US.

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