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The ALP should take on the IR laws : Comments

By Mark Hearn and Grant Michelson, published 20/4/2006

Labor should be bold enough to offer Australia a better way.

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I am not just a New Labor fan,yes in time maybe thats our path but elction victory must come soon.
Bit hard also on the Blair goverment, time sees all goverments begin to drop the ball, but this British goverment remains Labors true acheavement.
retchable targets is my thoughts on why Labor needs to change.
IR reform is shadowed by Howards control of the debate switching to nuclear mid stream.
We must refocus on workchoices, why has Australia got so many American CEO,s?
An iternational group has outdone even workchoices demanding union oficials put on paper who they wish to talk to and what about!
This dureing a meal time visit notice given, legal under the act!
Yank CEO!
I see a time comeing when radical action ,even leading to prison may be the only way.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 7:35:02 AM
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Scout, All workers should attend IR marches even if they do a half day at work. I hope there is mass sackings, myself included because the High Court would be pushed in to making a decisions.

Belly, I think riots will start if this government continue this course. Now that most people are aware that all Work Choices AWAs
have lost at least one condition and some have lost all award conditions the heat is building slowly, it takes abit to piss of the Average Aussie which is a good thing until they snap.

No decent Aussie, rich or poor, young or old should miss the Anti Work Choices March. June 28th will be BIG........
Posted by Sly, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 10:58:23 AM
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Blair's New Labour, is old conservative, the ALP is so conservative now it could easily swap places with the Blair Government. Beazley talks of scrapping Workchoices legislation, that's fine, but says nothing of improveing workers conditions. The ALP has lost its way thanks to the awu right wing faction that dominates it. Politics is about numbers, the awu right wing faction has the numbers, so you can bet IR is down on the list of priorities unless they see an electoral advantage. These right wing acedemics have not done a hard day's work in their life, can't relate to anyone who has, such is the state of the oldest political party Australia has.

Unless it is recapured by working people in numbers, it will continue to be Australia's largest pressure group, because it doesn't deserve to win the votes of working people, unless the imputus changes. It's that simple.
Posted by SHONGA, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 12:26:26 PM
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Sly if you want to risk your job then that is your choice. Tao has every right to decide for him/herself what is best for her/him.

I will be able to attend the protest, however, after losing my job last year and spending much of my savings on my mortgage I cannot afford to be unemployed again, so I sympathise with Tao. Sly, you have no right telling people what they should and shouldn't do just because you disagree with Tao.

Shonga I assume you are talking about unions being supported by workers in your last post?
Posted by Scout, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 1:11:53 PM
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Scout,
I am talking working people joining the ALP and Unions who believe that the ALP is too conservative. In my case ALP State IR legislation didn't save me, the whole IR debate needs to shift to the quality of life offered to working people. I see ordinary working people on a daily basis, who appear to be one step away from a breakdown, the employer doesn't care, they just use the employee up, and get another, put the unfair workload on them till they breakdown, continue the cycle. In some ways tao is correct in wanting a 30 hour week, 5 weeks holiday, as the pace of work these days {last 30 years} in some occupations is ridiculous.

Trouble with tao's outlook is change cannot be achieved in isolation, Unions of workers are needed, as well as a "fair dinkum" workers political party, which these days does not exist. Your suggestions for policy changes were also very good, the problem is, if people like you and tao and I can figure it out, why can't the ALP, answer....they are not connected to working people, because they are too far to the right, thus are unable to know what we know. Yet we are still expected to vote ALP because they are the lesser of two evils, wouldn't be great to vote Labor because they actually represented our aspirations, instead of representing a diluted version of the Liberal Party. Who sold the Commonwealth Bank, Quantas, but now disagrees with the sale of Telstra? I disagreed with all the sales, yet the dominance of the awu right wing politicians Hawke and Keating did half of Howard's work for him. Unless more ordinary working people join the party and participate in policy construction, we may as well vote Howard back in. Labor represents a slowing of change in the same direction as Liberal.
Posted by SHONGA, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 1:48:45 PM
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Scout, whats more important risking your job or losing thousands
of dollars a year when your offered your first AWA.

This is not the time for half an effort because by sitting back
and doing nothing is not an option when there is so much you can lose.

I have studied the Work Choices bill and it is very very serious
as you know. This is not the time to be afraid. This bill effects
all jobs from blue collar to white collar and all ages. Big business
wrote this bill so big balls are needed to destroy it. Soft people will be squashed.
Posted by Sly, Wednesday, 7 June 2006 2:22:57 PM
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