@maracas:

LOL, your attempt to inflate Australian role in Indonesia is hilarious. Indonesia gained its independence by combination of fighting and diplomacy. Through fighting, we killed 4000 Dutch soldiers and lost nearly 20,000 Indonesians (mostly civilians massacred by the Dutch). Through diplomacy, our smart UN-ambassador managed to get kind President Truman to call Dutch PM Drees, threatening to cut all Marshall Aid for Holland if Indonesia was not given its independence. Australian unions did a short blockade of Dutch ships organised by Indonesian communists living in Australia, but this boycott has no impact since Dutch supply routes did not pass through Australia at all.

As you can see, INDONESIA OWES ITS INDEPENDENCE TO NO ONE BUT ITSELF!

BTW we don't really care what some immature Australians "think", you are just stooges of USA, a good friend of Indonesia. You better start behaving like the loyal lap-dogs you are, and start following the directive of President Bush and PM Howard to consider Indonesia as your allies. If you again exhibit unacceptable arrogant behaviour, we Indonesians are always ready to bitchslap you as punishment.

@Ludwig:

It doesn't work that way, mate. Australia has no influence in any Indonesian internal affairs ;-)

@dee:

"PTBI - sorry to disappoint, but your 'truth' doesnt hurt. Its an unfortunate fact of life that weaker cultures are invaded by stronger ones."

Ahh.. so you're saying since whites are "stronger" then they have the right to engage in physical and cultural genocide against Aborigines. And you don't need to apologise to Aborigines for all the pain you inflicted, since it is Aborigines' mistake for having "weaker culture".

Wow, your words is 100% like a barbaric Hitler-speech justifying his invasions and genocides.

My statement is correct, Australians preaching human-rights to Indonesia is like Hitler preaching Judaism to Israel.

NB:

1)Indonesia became Islamic through peaceful conversion due to dissatisfaction caused by Hindu caste system, not "conquest" like Hitlerite white invasion of Australia.

2)Indonesian "jihadists" couldn't care less about Australia. They want to overthrow Indonesia's secular Pancasila ideology and turn Indonesia into an Islamic country.

@rogindon:

LOL, Australia has nothing to do with the eviction of East Timor from Indonesia. Deal with it.

If you actually read history, the referendum was arranged by New York Agreement 1999 between Indonesia, Portugal, and UN. What Australia said or may not said did not matter.

PM Howard may send some letter, but Habibie's decision to expel East Timor was most likely decided by his Islamic allies who wished to expel "one million Catholics" from the republic.

@jkenno:

Indeed, Australia has a dark, dark history when it comes to human rights abuses. To attempt to defend them is to either be clinically biased of definitively stupid.

Can we really expect John Howard to be a supporter of Human Rights when he is abusing the human rights of his own citizens who votes for him over and over?

Australian's are losing freedoms more and more so on a daily basis now. How often do you hear them say, "Oh, we need stronger laws for terrorists", when in fact, they have no need for them?

Most Australian's do not realise that any peaceful protest can be ordered as a threat to national security under Howard's Sedition Law.

Howard and all the rest of these liberalists are fools, selling Austrlian's out so he can make money off his own people.

Not only should we drag him out of his office, we should dump him in the middle of the ocean in a leaky raft.

Ludwig, Boaz, dee, maracas, rogington et al….

You all seem like intelligent people, so why are you even bothering to answer any of the crap that some cretinous fundamental orifice of the porcine variety is throwing at you?

Can you not see that he is just jerking your chains to aggravate and bait you?

Are you not able to see past his ill conceived fabricated lies, libel and slander? His grandiose statements that Indonesians killed so many Dutch troops is a fabrication as it was a British force that suffered the most casualties and of course the communist inspired rebels killed off a few also in the late 40’s if I remember correctly and of course the Ambonese, who were mainly Christian, were massacred by the Moslem Indonesian…. But Hey what is the truth?

Cannot you see that as a Moslem he is not lying to infidels who would not know the truth anyway?

Even today president BangBangSillyArseholes was not happy with Howard for allowing the separatists sanctuary in Australia and I am certain this little illegitimate offspring of one of Keating’s “Babie Perternatkans” (sorry Boaz-David if the spelling is wrong) fresh from his mucking out duties is not frothing at the mouth to savage that little snippet as well ….

But, you really must understand that the best, and only way to deal with the child is to ignore what he writes and lies about - and to completely ignore him, let the little boy rant and rave because he is totally incapable of any logic and coherent thought – all you really have to do is remember the emptiest drum makes the loudest noise, but it soon implodes.

Kathryn Pollard you make some very interesting comments where say “I have read of Africans who want sharia law enforced to stop the spread of HIV aids and sexual abuse of children.”

Please provide the links to this outstanding piece of journalism, because the country of note at the moment is in Sudan and Dafur, where the Arabic Janjaweed militia forces are following the usual Islamic path of conversion, by raping, torturing and murdering women and children – or perhaps you might refer to that other bastion of integrity and honesty, Nigeria where the northern Hausa Moslems deep into sharia laws, have sentenced a young rape victim, SAFIYA HUSEINI, who went to the police and complained of rape to a stoning death, but seem to forget about the man who raped her…

Don’t forget of course that the Hausa were the brave tribe who obliterated the Biafran people in the early 60’s … or maybe it some other group of Africans you refer to – I really would be so very interested to know your source, if indeed you have one.

Try this report
The report warns that if left unchecked, sharia's further spread could provoke widespread inter-religious conflict, and transform Nigeria, Africa's largest nation, into a center of radical Islamism, linked to foreign radical groups and governments. Currently, 12 of Nigeria's 36 states have adopted or intend to adopt sharia. The enforcement of extreme sharia violates all human rights, especially religious freedom, and destabilizes this already fragile country.
The report proposes policy recommendations to the U.S. and Nigerian governments to prevent this pivotal African nation from sliding into lawlessness and terror. It is based on a Center fact-finding mission to Nigeria led by Senior Fellow Dr. Paul Marshall in 2001.
In some states Muslims are subject to sharia even if they prefer civil courts that have protections under Nigeria's bill of rights. Non-Muslims are barred from being judges, prosecutors, and lawyers in the courts to which they may be subject. Sharia state governments have destroyed dozens of churches.
http://www.freedomhouse.org/religion/publications/newsletters/2002/Mar-Apr-May-Jun/newsletter_2002-Mar6.htm
so much for sharia....

Jkenno- almost every country on earth has a ‘disgraceful record’ of dealing with indigenous peoples, so why single out Australia?
Perhaps you could also explain why I am personally responsible for the treatment of aboriginals by other white Australians in a previous era? If I were truly responsible for everything that happens in Australia, both past and present, the country would be a vastly different place. And if there is one thing Australia does not need at present, it is more immigrants and refugees. Why on earth should we accept more people to our own detriment?

PTBI – I have never said that white people have the right to destroy others because they are stronger. That is a complete misrepresentation and fabrication on your part. I said that 'might over right' is unfortunately the way of the world, if you care to reread. I liked the bit about Hitler, though. Tired clichés about Nazis and references to ‘Hitler’ are usually the refuge of limited minds. I notice that you have not answered one question I have asked you, so I don’t propose to waste more time.

‘Indonesia became Islamic through peaceful conversion’ -- really. Indonesians were exempted from the violence and slaughter used by Muslims to ‘convert’ others in every other area it has invaded? If this is so, Indonesia is a startling exception to the usual events of Islamic conquest.

Kekenidika - I bothered to answer because this is the way to expose those with no agenda except bias and prejudice. It is easy to see that PTBI and co. not only dislike Australians, but have no rational answers to any question I asked. Any reasonable question is ‘answered’ by reverting to the aboriginal issue. The best defence is offence, in the view of some people - which proves my point.