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We're too desperate to please Jakarta : Comments

By Don Rothwell, published 13/4/2006

We should not allow the Indonesians a veto over our refugee policy.

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PTBI, you are raving mate, rant rant barbaric evil asylum seekers.. why are you so concerned about it if things are all good in West Papua

Is it that you are scared more people are going to find out the truth?
Posted by hellothere, Monday, 17 April 2006 4:35:16 PM
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@dee:

I know the truth hurts, mate, but you have to face it: Australian whites are just thieves squatting in stolen Aboriginal land for too long. Your own High Court acknowledge this.

Since when did Australia "came to terms" to its genocidal nature? How many percent of Australian land has been "returned" to Aborigines? How many Aboriginal PMs have you had? Have the whites paid the Aborigines for all the land they stole (whole of Australia)? Have the whites compensate Aborigines for all the pain you inflicted on them? Have PM John Howard finally apologise to Aborigines?

Some addendum:

1)East Timor was taken-over by Indonesia as a favour to Australian and American requests to prevent establishment of communist state there under Marxist party Fretilin in 1975.

2)Indonesia had the support of various anti-communist East Timorese parties such as APODETI, KOTA, Trabhalista, etc (Balibo Declaration). The younger brother of Jose Ramos-Horta, Alexandre Ramos-Horta, participated in invasion of East Timor as Indonesian auxillary. Indeed, half of our 1975 invasion force consisted of East Timorese anti-communist auxillaries.

3)After end of Cold War and fall of Suharto, President Habibie decided to expel East Timor from Indonesia through referendum as the province was becoming bottomless cesspit for govt subsidies. President Habibie is the person with 100% responsibility for East Timorese independence, without him East Timor would still be part of Indonesia.

4)I only call evil Papuan separatists as "barbaric" because these people exclusively engage in barbaric terrorist acts of murder, robbery, and kidnapping on Indonesian and foreign citizens. They consitute only a tiny minority of native Papuans, most of whom are civilised. The 42 barbaric separatists do not represent 1.5 million native Papuans.

@hellothere:

What will Australians think if Indonesia sheltered Osama bin Laden and allow him to plot destruction of Australia from Indonesia? It is the same feeling Indonesia is having on Australia nowadays. If Indonesia was Israel/USA, we would have bombed Australia and send agents to assassinate these "asylum-seekers".

Luckily, Australian govt has come to its senses and refused to allow more barbaric Papuan separatists from getting shelter in Australia.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Monday, 17 April 2006 7:48:53 PM
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Many Australians seem to believe that they are superior to Indonesians and others because of this country's relative affluence and "freedoms".
Yet there are many places in the world where people do not so highly prize "economic prosperity" or even societal attributes that the Oz media et al would describe as "freedoms".
I have read of Africans who want sharia law enforced to stop the spread of HIV aids and sexual abuse of children.
The Australian police are spending time in Asia trying to help them solve crimes while here in Australia the illicit drug trade, identity fraud and other crimes of corruption are presented in practice as normal or unsolvable
Posted by Kathryn Pollard, Monday, 17 April 2006 9:58:06 PM
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Howard grovels just as Keiting did but fact is while Howard used Tampa to say who would come to Australia our near neighbor is now telling us who will not.
Time will see another east Timor like outcome as a people who do not belong in Indonesea are free.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 7:30:17 AM
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Thanks PTBI for so clearly backing the Papuan-asylum-seekers claim. You always refer to these people as barbaric separatists and even supported TNI's murder of Theys Eluays. Are you saying then that if we were to return them (as your government demands), they would not be punished?
Posted by rogindon, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 10:00:22 AM
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Indonesian Ali, (alias PTBI)
If you were a keen student of the history of Indonesia you would know that the fledgling republic of Indonesia succeeded in establishing itself and repelling the Dutch attempts to regain control of its colony after the end of WW 2 with the help of Australian workers and supporters of your freedom who imposed boycotts and bans on Dutch attempts to rearm and maintain supply.
The Dutch had the support of Churchill and the Australian Menzies Government.

West Papua was retained by the Dutch at the request of the British and Australian Governments as a buffer for Papua New Guinea and was not seceded until 1963 by the infamous "Act of No Choice".

You can rest assured that despite the kowtowing of the Howard Government, and their disgraceful grovelling to the corrupt Indonesian military regime presently in control of the Republic of Indonesia, that freedom loving Australians will continue to support the people of West Papua in their struggle to regain control of their land as we did for Indonesia in 1945.

If you are interested in informing yourself of this period in your country's history, I suggest you read Rupert Lockwoods authoritative historical account in "Black Armada". You might then understand that with the exception of such rednecks as oppose asylum seekers the ordinary people of Australia do not necessarily support John Howard's grovelling to appease a corrupt regime
Posted by maracas, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 10:12:54 AM
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