Proud To Be Javanese:
I suggest you talk to some of Indonesian -Chinese.
They have been subjected to murder, rape, arson & pillage on a regular basis.From at least the time of Sukarno (& possibly before) up until,the latest outburst in 2001.

If the bias & censorship of the Indonesian press stopped you from being informed on such matters, I suggest you do a Google search on Indonesian history-It will be all there for you to see.

The Indonesian Govt certainly believes it happen because they go through the charade each time of holding official investigations.

When you have finished your Google searches on the mistreatment of Chinese.Come back to me and I will give you leads on how to look-up source material on the (on-going) misdeeds of the Indonesian military in Aceh. Or the (on-going) “holy wars” waged against Christians on Sulawesi and Ambon.

Horus,

At the small risk of being ever so repetitious, may I suggest that you do a search on PTBI and view ANY of PTBI's previous posts, AND of course, please understand and note that not is all that it seems to be - so never presume, nor ever assume that because someone says that white is black, does not necessarily mean that black is not white either. Then of course, you will come to the conclusion that what has been written is all lies and corruption - except for the links you do not provide

If you are able to work that out, then you may find that speaking with a hollow drum or solid wall will be more beneficial.

Failing that, I can give you a good source of headache remedies .....

Uh,uh Horus - dont get into this. No matter what proof you provide, PTBI will say its a lie, it never happened, everything Indonesia does is right and just - blah blah blah. Its a bit like arguing with a fanatical religious person or a dedicated Commie - ie a complete waste of time.

I would like to send him for a 6 month holiday in the Northern Territory as the guest of an aboriginal community. If he could dodge the spears, bottles and drunken rapists, he may learn something - then, taking his advice, the kind and humane Indonesians could 'help' aboriginals, as he offered to do.

Now that would be worth seeing.

Dee ......

You are such a viscous cynic (bit like me in a way one would suppose) but if you did send PTBI (please note the politically correctness of asexual gender) to one of our nicer settlements, then it would only be turned back against you.

But then again, do you not think they have enough problems already, without the added extra impost of a foreign racist spreading impossible solutions. I actually have some fairly good Aboriginal friends - and they would be pointing the bone at you for such an insidious suggestion......

PTBI. Here are a few facts for you to ponder.

The average life expectancy has expanded an average 20 years over the last 100 years. The average life expenctancy for Australians is about 80 years. Indonesians' are about 70 years. There are claims that aboriginal people live on average for about 60 years. That's taking into consideration that aboriginal infant mortality rates that are atleast 4 times that of non-indigenous Australians. This inflated rate of infant mortality is primarily due to substance abuse endemic in aboriginal communities. You can't blame that on your hated white people of Australia.

Education levels have indigenous people completing school (year 1 to year 12) at 39%, compared to 75% for other Australians. Indonesians only spend 5 years in school: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/edu_ave_yea_of_sch_of_adu . I have read elsewhere that many of you guys don't even finish schooling past the age of 15.

Crime rates for aboriginal people would appear disproportionate compared to non-aboriginal people, because there is a substance and alcohol problem amongst the aborigine population. It is quite common for aboriginal people to be locked up for a night to sober up a night of drunk and disorderly behaviour. My town is 5% aboriginal, and I haven't gone many weeks without seeing drunken behaviour by a visible minority of aborigines. Take this next link with a grain of salt, if you wish: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19164035-601,00.html . It details the problem of domestic violence that has carried on from pre-colonial times to today. Domestic violence has been a cultural problem in Aboriginal communities for the past 60,000 years. I can't say without doubt that Indonesia has a lower rate of crime than Australia. The corruption issue following Indonesia deters me from accepting Indonesia as a low crime country.

If we take the GDP of Indonesians into account, where it's (haha) $3700 per person, aborigines would earn more money (on average) than an Indonesian. With welfare the way it is in Australia, one aborigine could get over $10,000.

Indonesia's $100 million in aid to WNG is a pittance compared to the $billions Australia gives the Oceanic region alone.

K - my 3 year old godson is part aboriginal (white mother, half aboriginal father), a happy, intelligent little boy. Its heartbreaking to compare him to the petrol-sniffing and abused children in some outback communities. I spent a lot of time in outback Australia during the 1970s, I saw things I have never forgotten - but it seems that the present situation is the same or worse, nothing has changed. Now authorities are talking about removing children at risk. Why not remove the perpetrators? Any white Australian man who did such things would be imprisoned, but idiot judges continue to give vicious aboriginal males a free pass on 'cultural' grounds.

PJT - 'from pre-colonial times to today.'

The mistreatment of aboriginal women was here long before the white settlers. I recall reading some comments made by the early settlers expressing shock at how badly aboriginal women were treated. Aboriginal men were more than happy to trade their women to white men in return for alcohol, tobacco and sugar. Aboriginal women were obliged to have sex with any one of their husband's age group and were often promised at birth to men three times their age. This is still happening, aboriginal women are still traded off for alcohol or drugs.