@dee:

Indeed Australia must be monitored to ensure this "country" improve its treatment of Aborigines, which now suffered terrible living conditions while whites lived in so-called "first world" situation.

Remember, Indonesia is elected by 163 countries as member of new UN Human Rights Council, while Australia was not elected. We are in good position to help the Aborigines human rights situation.

"PTBI - if most Indonesians do not care about Australia, as you claim, why do you care so much? Do you have some special reason to hate Australians"

LOL, I talk about Australia because this is an Australian website.

Don't drag other countries which has nothing to do with this topic just in a vain attempt to justify your despicable genocide on Aborigines.

RETURN AUSTRALIA TO ABORIGINES NOW!!

PTBI - ‘Indeed Australia must be monitored’

– Australia monitored by Indonesia? Dream on! To quote your own phrase - LOL. Its almost as funny as the thought of my 'justifying' myself to you.

‘We are in good position to help the Aborigines human rights situation’

– I’m sure that Aboriginals would love to receive the same kind of ‘help’ received by the East Timorese. The stated topic of this forum is not aboriginals although you persist in discussing the subject (about which you know nothing). The topic is:

'Can Australia always decide who comes to this country and conditions under which they come?'

When the WNG refugee incident is reduced to the bare facts, it is a case of childishness on the part of the Indonesian govt. Australia granted temporary refugee status to a group who claimed to be in fear of their lives from Indonesian authorities. Indonesia immediately threw a childish tantrum.

How dare Australian officials obey Australian law? According to the Indonesian govt. Australian officials should have discounted the refugees’ story immediately because, obviously, the officials should have known that they were lying because Indonesian authorities would never, never persecute anyone (lets put aside East Timor for the moment). Obviously, officials should have ignored Australia’s obligations under the Migration Act so that Indonesian feelings were not hurt; they should have made an exception because the people claiming refugee status were West New Guineans. According to the Indonesian govt., Australia should ignore legalities if Indonesia is involved.

The Indonesian govt.(and many Indonesians also, I’m sure) will never forgive Australia for being involved in exposing Indonesian atrocities in East Timor – obviously, a truly friendly neighbour would have kept quiet to save Indonesian pride. No doubt we should also keep quiet on the endemic corruption, crimes against children and creeping Islamic fundamentalism that is happening in Indonesia.

But don’t worry, maybe Indonesia’s new friend, the Iranian madman, may nuke Australia if you ask him nicely. Until that happens, feel free to continue your ravings about ‘genocide’ etc. while ignoring the situation in your own country

"Proud to be idiotic" claims that Indonesia would be "in a good position to help the Aborigines' human rights situation". Is he serious? Given the fact that aborigines in Australia have a higher standard of living than most Indonesians, it would be the Australian aborigines in the better position to help Indonesians out.

It has never been a better time to claim aboriginality in Australia. Even Sri Lankans have been known to fool the welfare department and claim aboriginal benefits. If you ever felt the need to get your facts into order, PTBI, you could look up the www.centrelink.gov.au website and have a rummage through the ABSTUDY vs AUSTUDY payments for students. I may be wrong, but I don't even think there is any real onus on people of aboriginal origin to even look for work, while they are claiming unemployment. There are jobs set aside just for aboriginal people, that are denied to non-aboriginals. Extra help is given to aboriginal people seeking to obtain qualifications, skills, or the ability to enter the workforce. Housing loan rates for aborigines are less than what others have to endure. I even know of one aboriginal guy that could get a job in a mining community, based solely on his grandmother's association with a tribe in the region.

What sort of special treatment do East Timorese and WPNGs get from Indonesia? I remember the video footage of seeing anti-independence militia attacking East Timorese, while no military personnel came to stop the bloodshed until Interfet arrived. I wouldn't be surprised if the Indonesian military are doing the same in West Papua. Are you sure, PTBI, that you want to criticise other countries about human rights, when visibly your country cannot even get its own affairs in order?

@PJT:

Aborigines has much lower life expectantcy, lower health levels, higher death rate, higher imprisonment rate, lower education levels, and high levels of poverty much more than other people living in Indonesia. It's sad you are trying to lie that Aborigines are "well-treated" and everything is fine and dandy, while the fact is Aborigines suffered terrible living conditions while whites gloated of living "first-world" in stolen Aboriginal land. So sad :-(

We have been elected to UN Human Rights Council by 163 countries. Our military has been involved with UN peace-keeping from Egypt 1956 to Congo today. President SBY was leader of UN peace-keeping mission to Bosnia-Hercegovina. None of your threats can deter us from fulfilling our international obligations to monitor international human rights violations such as what whites are doing with Aborigines.

"What sort of special treatment do East Timorese and WPNGs get from Indonesia?"

Indonesia subsidise East Timor seven times its average development expenditure to other provinces. This is why we expel that province from Indonesia bcoz we no longer can afford the heavy subsidies burden for that half-island. We are currently subsidising Rp 1 trillion to West Papua each year.

@dee:

"Australia monitored by Indonesia? Dream on"

LOL, if Australia want to "monitor" Indonesia, Indonesia certainly can monitor Australia. Why you are so panickly? You have nothing to fear from our monitoring if you have nothing to hide, right?

LOL, it is clear Indonesia never seek to interfere in Australian affairs, we are merely seeking our right for self-protection from violent attacks based from Australia. Your wise PM Howard and minister Vanstone understand our legitimate concerns and change your laws according to our wishes. Very good way for Australia to change its laws in response to our concerns.

Proud to Be Indonesian:
It’s a little incongruous that you take such an unsympathetic stand towards the West Papuan freedom fighters. After all, the tactics they employ are the same as those the Javanese independence groups employed against the Dutch- as are their motives.

And I need to draw your attention to a ‘little problem’ you have re the mistreatment, i.e. murder, rape & pillaging of the minority groups on Java, Sulawesi ,Ambon & Aceh.

PTBI I respectively suggest that you clean-up your own backyard before leaning over the fence trying to pointing out your neighbor’s deficiencies.

@Horus:

"And I need to draw your attention to a ‘little problem’ you have re the mistreatment, i.e. murder, rape & pillaging of the minority groups on Java, Sulawesi ,Ambon & Aceh."

LOL, actually none of your above sundry accusations ever happened, as they only exists in your imagination.

I "respectively" suggest you acknowledge the white genocide against Aborigines and illegal theft of Aboriginal land, and do the right thing: RETURN AUSTRALIA TO ABORIGINES NOW!!