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We're too desperate to please Jakarta : Comments

By Don Rothwell, published 13/4/2006

We should not allow the Indonesians a veto over our refugee policy.

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A few weeks ago (at most), you were talking about how West Papuans were murdering and raping Indonesian transmigrants. While I can agree that there is a probability that this happening, it still goes to show how you are slandering West Papuans for the actions of a few. But you are probably too *proud* to acknowledge that these West Papuan people clearly aren't enjoying Indonesian occupation, that they choose to risk life and limb by crossing dangerous seas to get to Australia. From your point of view, it means that West Papuans hate "tolerant and benevolent Indonesians" so much that they would rather be with "racist white people" in Australia. Such an action by West Papuans must confuse you no end.

As for giving aborigines citizenship in Australia: Yes, it did take until 1967 to do that. However, even you guys in Indonesia were only just shrugging off colonialism at the time, and invading Timor and West Papua.
Posted by PJT, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 10:31:30 PM
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PJT
Most Chinese Indonesians do not speak Chinese because for generations it has been actively "discouraged" by the Indonesian Govt.
They had to arrange secret backyard schools to teach it to their children.
They were also "encouraged" to Indonesianise ( or more correctly Javanise their names).
And for a very long time it was illegal to even have street signs in Chinese!
Posted by Horus, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 7:05:41 AM
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@Horus:

LOL, we were talking about the cruel white genocide on Aborigines, but you suddenly talk about France and Adolf Hitler. Seems like your logic is twisted. I guess it is good you don't reply in this discussion, cuz it is obvious your brain is not up to the task.

@dee:

I see, you are dehumanising and slandering all Aborigines as child-rapists to justify your theft of their land and genocide. Previously you equalise Aborigines with kangaroos. Are you still not satisfied with stealing Aboriginal land and committing genocide against them? How barbaric and cruel you are!

RETURN AUSTRALIA TO ABORIGINES NOW!!

@PJT:

LOL, don't deny your attempt to dehumanise the Aborigines by painting all of them as violent criminals. Who are you trying to fool? People are not dumb, we are not born yesterday. -_-'

And yes, your own High Court rules whites steal Australia from Aborigines illegally through the "terra nullius" concept. Thanks to the honorable Torres Strait Islander Mabo who succeeded in recovering his tribal land stolen by whites.

And yes, there is undenibale genocide done by cruel whites on Aborigines.

GENOCIDE ON ABORIGINES IN AUSTRALIA BY PROF COLIN TATZ (DIRECTOR OF CENTRE FOR COMPARATIVE GENOCIDE STUDIES AT MACQUARIE UNIVERSITY)
http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/news/story6.html

RETURN AUSTRALIA TO ABORIGINES NOW!! RETURN THE STOLEN LAND TO ITS RIGHTFUL OWNERS.

"I can agree that there is a probability that this happening, it still goes to show how you are slandering West Papuans for the actions of a few."

You must be illiterate, boy, as I've specifically only blame the barbaric Papuan separatists for these heinous murders on Indonesian citizens, including killing native Papuan people who like Indonesia. Majority of native Papuans are peaceful people who are law-abiding Indonesian citizens. You are very foolish for slandering all normal civilised Papuan people with the barbaric separatists, just like generalising all Germans today as neo-Nazis.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 8:35:12 AM
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Nobody is 'slandering' aboriginals, PTBI. If you could manage to take time off from your ignorant rantings and actually read the Australian news, you would find that all the reports given here of child rape among outback aboriginals are genuine. You have referred to aboriginals as a 'noble race' - obviously you have overdosed on Rousseau - there is no such thing as a 'noble race' of people.

'How barbaric and cruel you are!'

Barbaric and cruel to state the truth? I would say that the male aboriginals who are beating, raping and killing their own women and children are 'barbaric and cruel' but perhaps your definition is different.

You criticised another poster for referring to Hitler. What a hypocrite you are. Anyone reading your posts on this forum can count how many times you have called me and other posters 'Hitler' (your lack of imagination shines through) - yet its wrong for other people to make the same reference?

PS - something you obviously do not know - there is a vast difference between city aboriginals and aboriginals living in a tribal situation in remote communities. Another subject for you to research.
Posted by dee, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 11:25:23 AM
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@dee:

LOL, don't deny your attempts to dehumanise Aborigines, dee. I've crushed all your futile denial on the dirty white genocide and theft of land against Aborigines. After this "pwning", you desperately seek to dehumanise Aborigines by generalising all of them as "barbarians" to justify your genocide and theft of land.

Well, may I add that is just despicable. You just brought your people to lower levels of infamy, yet your attempts are futile, because nothing can justify your genocides!

Your white people are famous for high sex abuse, it has been found that 28% of Australian females are sexually abused as little girls! Even your priests are famous for being child-molesters. The Aborigines are better than you, not only they never committed genocide or steal anybody's land, they are not world-class hyprocrites like whites, who dare accuse others of being sexual-abusers while 28% of Australian females (3 million females) are sexually abused as little girls!
http://www.secasa.com.au/index.php/family/11/96
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 6:10:15 PM
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You have 'crushed' nothing, PTBI - you have merely shown your own ignorance - over and over. 'Deny', 'justify' etc etc - are you joking? The use of these words says that you believe yourself to be in a position where others have to 'justify' their opinions or actions to you. Laughable. Do you have a God Complex?

'28% of Australian females are sexually abused ...'

This article also states that Indigenous women reported three times as many incidents in 12 months as compared with non-Indigenous women, proving that the reports of abuse in aboriginal communities posted here are correct. Child abuse is rampant all over the world, if you are trying to convince yourself that only 'white priests' are responsible, look at the Muslim world more closely, and at your own country.

'The Indonesian government reports that 6 to 12 million Indonesian children are involved in the worst forms of child labor and prostitution ... [some are] forced into prostitution by their own parents. In certain villages in the West Java regency there is competition to invest in and prepare children for prostitution in the cities, expecting high returns on investments'.

'People in glass houses ...', PTBI.

'Your white people are famous for high sex abuse ..'

Even more famous are the Arabs from the Middle East who still keep slaves and kidnap young white girls and boys for their harems. Many white people are involved in child abuse, but 'white' countries are the only ones to pass laws protecting children, the only ones to even question the idea of children as possessions of the parents. Australia, the US etc may not be perfect, but at least we try to evolve from medieval thinking.
Posted by dee, Thursday, 25 May 2006 2:03:14 PM
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