Numbat--that is because noone has invaded Oz. The Methodist/Baptist/Anglicans etc are doing all their atrocities against schoolgirls, babies and women etc. in Iraq.

If we were the country invaded you would see the atrocities on our streets and in our homes. But noone has done that. Invading and bombing the lands of countries that have not invaded them and that are geographically distant is more of an American/UK/Australian thing.

Azilis -

>>The Methodist/Baptist/Anglicans etc are doing all their atrocities against schoolgirls, babies and women etc. in Iraq.<<

Can you substanciate these allegations?

>>If we were the country invaded you would see the atrocities on our streets and in our homes.<<

Where were you in December last when lebs were rampaging the streets of Sydney?

>>Invading and bombing the lands of countries that have not invaded them and that are geographically distant is more of an American/UK/Australian thing.<<

Try telling this to a New Yorker, a Londoner, a Madridien, or a Balinese etc...?

Azilis + Coach

Enough of this childish blame game, "my religion is better than yours", "my religion breeds more terrorists than yours". Seriously grow up!

No religion promotes violence, only people that manipulate religion try to justify violence by twisting the words of religious texts. The simple reality is that no one in australia wants this war on Iraq. I don't agree with it at all and im Australian. So don't put me in the same boat as bush kissing neo-conservatives.

There were never any weapons of mass destruction, there was only ever oil, infrastructure reconstruction contracts, etc, etc. You don't see America "dirtying" there hands with india and pakistan who both have nuclear weapons aimed at each other, "oh jee i wonder why?". Let's not even begin with the history of America's mass destruction and that lovely 53rd state of the US called israel. Thats another forum in itself.

So NO its not a "american, australian, pommy" trait to invade countries, don't put the people in the same boat as the government. And don't argue well you can vote for labour, when quite frankly there is no option these days but to vote for liberal as labour is ten times more incompetant. By the way my last vote was invalid!

Likewise, not all muslims are terrorists that go blowing themselves up. Most are decent people that hate war and just want to go about living there life. The same can be said for most humans in general!! If you want to attack people attack governments and fundamentalists, don't attack religions and generalise an entire population becaues of the extreme action of a few.

kish,

Welcome to the forum and thanks for your concern – but for argument sake I must point out a few mistakes in your text:

1. “No religion promotes violence” – Islam does – please familiarise yourself with their Qur’an.
2. “..that lovely 53rd state of the US called Israel” – I thought that Israel was the first state and Australia was the 53rd…but like you said : that's for another forum…
3. “not all muslims are terrorists” – yeah, but of late most terrorists were Muslims
4. “..don't attack religions and generalise an entire population becaues of the extreme action of a few.” – if you consider Islam a religion (I don’t) then you cannot differentiate between extreme and moderate Muslim. They both adhere to the same ideology but utilise different methods of Jihad.
5. As for the Iraqi liberation from the tyranny of a pseudo-muslim dictator – I agree that the perceived motives can vary depending on which side you stand. I am not a bush kisser either.
6. "India and Pakistan" have not indicated that their atomic weapons were directed at Israel like did Iran for example. So maybe that is why bush is not so anxious.

To those looking after this page I cannot read or 'reach' {don't know the correct terminology}the bottom of the page. I believe there's a post from 'aziliz' I can't read it. numbat

PART A (due to word limit)

Thanks for the warm welcome coach, in responce to your rebutal.

1. “Islam does – please familiarise yourself with their Qur’an" - I have familiarised myself with quran, in fact ive read alot of the quaran probably more than yourself. it is based on similar ideology to christianity and judaism (as we all know). It is not a violent religion, though some of the Hadiths (there supplementary text) are quite questionable.

I think alot of what the quran states is taken out of context and manipulated by war hungry fundamentalists. The same has been done for christianity back in the catholic crusade days.

I dont believe the majority of terrorists are islamic, i consider the american government to be the worlds biggest terrorists and there not islamic. Jews would probably second to the US and there not islamic either. Lets rememebr that this word terrorism is nothing more than pro bush propaganda. what is a terrorist? someone that terrorises innocent civilians? peopel that blow themselves up like the palestineians in palestine? so Jews blowing them up with tanks is not terrorism, yet them blowing themselves up is?

Its alrite for america to invade a country and terrorise the general population by blowing them, thats not terrorism? Yet september 11 was? if you want to compare the number of innocent lives america is repsncible for relative to terrorists, i think youll be pleasantly suprised. lets not get carried away with what CNN regulates on our news networks.

2. I thought that Israel was the first state and Australia was the 53rd…but like you said : that's for another forum…

I dont class australia as a state of america, most australians HATE america. The white house is run by Jews. they have the tenth strongest Army on the planet. the white house bends over backwards for Jews. We have one govt that has a shocking foregin policy which i believe is well and truely against what mainstream australia believes in. So lets not insult our lovely country due to our lack of good quality politicians.