R0bert - brilliant post re: Hitler - loving your work, mate.

SusanP - thank you - thermo's (anyone ever watch Thermo-man?) response emphasises how desperate are the anti-mossies.

Fellow_Human - another composed and appropriate post - you set a high standard.

Back to thread - I feel for the bulk of Muslims - vilified from the outside and manipulated from within. This 'delayed reaction' to the cartoons reveals a dark conspiracy which is trying to prevent any cultural bridge from being erected between faiths.

In all things, balance.

BOAZ_David. One can make valued judgements about the merit of one religion over another. I guess I did that when saying the Muslims held civilisation over during the Dark Ages in Europe in science, maths, literature and simple awareness beyond the crippling strangling mythology of the Christian church then.

The fact remain, power and religion are tightly interwoven in Islam and inevitably, it becomes a power struggle dressed up as religious issues that drives the rioting hordes.

Islam is in its Dark Age exactly where Christianity was seven centuries ago (noting Islamt started seven centuries on from Christianity).

Islam is screaming for a reformation that divorces power from religion and perhaps which sees some accommodation (eg. women's rights) to reflect today's world.

First things first. I want to thank Susan Prior for reminding me of the 24 hour limit and pointing to me indirectly of my serious mistake. Therefore, as a result of the latter, I want to extend my apologies to both Irfan and Fellow Human for comparing them to poltroons. However, I still consider them to be bereft of arguments. But back to "unfinished business".

Fellow Human

The statistics you provided about the number of Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims, to make your case that, to quote you, "Australia is likely to become Buddist or Hindu first", than Muslim, are totally inapplicable to the issue. What is crucial is not the PRESENT number of affiliates to the different religions, but the FUTURE ones. Moreover, you demolish by your own logic your argument.(Bad logic is not the characteristic of a "strategic thinker".) As in your opening you are saying that "the most common religious affiliation of immigrants is Christianity". If you add to this that Australians in their great majority are Christian, then Australia would neither become Buddhist or Hindu, but it would remain unassailable Christian.

If you were not disingenuous or doltish in the presentation of these statistics for the purpose of using them as a ruse to make your case that Australia was not threatened by a Muslim inundation in numbers, you would have presented statistics about he BIRTHRATES of all immigrants and Australians. It's the latter that will DETERMINE the future demographics of the country. And in these demographics Muslims, as a result of their extraordinary high birthrates, will hold the primal position.

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Themistocles, can you please post the assumptions and maths you are using to support your view that Australia is in danger of being overrun by muslims.

I don't see how it can happen across the country but am willing to have an honest look at supportable assumptions and maths which show a genuine issue.

R0bert

May be it aint a number's game. There are 40 virgins waiting for the next belt explosive martyr. Lucas Heights was evidently being scrutineered by a group recently arrested in Sydney. It isnt numbers. The minority can win just like the Vandals that sacked Rome.

Ted, you've categorised my comments as "left-wing political correctness" instead of addressing them on their merits. I can only presume you have no response to what I said.

I realise it may be hard for you to accept the fact that Israeli papers have published flagrantly anti-Arab and anti-Muslim (as well as anti-Ethiopian) material. You must understand, however, that my claims of racism in Israeli papers have been confirmed by Israelis themselves.

I note your defence of Daniel Pipes but not Mark Steyn. Can I presume you agree with me that his material does deliberately cast aspersions on all Muslims in similar fashion to Nazi propagandists casting aspersions on all Jews?

I wonder if you feel Muslims have a right to feel upset and angered by the cartoons, and whether they have the right to express this peacefully. Further, do you acknowledge that in fact the majority of Muslims have made peaceful protests. Or are you suggesting that the bulk of Muslim protestors have been violent?

Finally, do you support to the views of others such as mickijo, Leigh, coach and kaktuz? Do you agree that the views and actions of a minority of Muslims should be ascribed to the Muslim mainstream?