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By Ted Lapkin, published 21/2/2006

The timing, scope and focus of the Danish cartoon controversy raises suspicions this crisis owes much to cynical manipulation.

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Boo hoo to a bunch of predictably irrelevant words and pictures a few thousand kilometres away in a newspaper whose language l cant even understand.

Yelling into the voidable void... What? Do newspapers do that? Gee, what a revelationary surprise.

Words and pictures makes you angry... what a larf.

Grow up and get a clue... cry babies.
Posted by trade215, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 7:06:41 PM
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Fellow Human,

I won’t swear to it, and I’m too lazy to find out for sure but, like Francis, I’m quite surprised to hear you (often) referring to Adolf Hitler as a “devout Christian”. I have always understood that Hitler was, at one time, interested in mysticism, but I’ve never seen his name connected with any religion, although I believe that he might have been a nominal Catholic.

Hilter might be your favourite non-Muslim bad guy, but you might like to do some checking if you are going to use him to beat Christians over the head with.
Posted by Leigh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 7:56:46 PM
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Leigh, I don't know the "truth" on that one either but a quick search of the web dug up some gems.

"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated.

For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the other." -- Adolf Hitler, from Mein Kampf, translation by Ralph Mannheim. http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/dobson.htm

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BERLIN, Feb. 23 (AP)--A campaign against the "godless movement" and an appeal for Catholic support were launched Wednesday by Chancellor Adolf Hitler's forces. http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/unknown/hitler.html

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You will find it in Mein Kampf: "Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work."

Hitler said it again at a Nazi Christmas celebration in 1926: "Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews ... The work that Christ started but could not finish, I -- Adolf Hitler -- will conclude."

In a Reichstag speech in 1938, Hitler again echoed the religious origins of his crusade. "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work."
http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hitler.html

To be fair there are also plenty of articles explaining why Hitler was not a christain but his own words paint a picture (assuming the quotes are not lies).

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 8:24:07 PM
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A bit away from centre court, I admit, but didn't the Afghani Taliban (Muslims) destroy the Buddhist Bamiyah statues in Afghanistan, despite pleas even from the non-Buddhist West? I understand Buddhist regard very highly representations of him. Did the Buddhist world erupt like the current Danish cartoon conflgration? It seems to me that the Muslims concerned are being utterly hypocritical
Posted by Doug, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 11:15:42 PM
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The issue is not only freedom of Speech, but also the morality and character of the man at the center of debate. Yes there is no doubt that Muslims love and respect Mohammad.

Do non-Muslims have to love and respect him? Well, that depends on what he did and said.

That is the problem. A look at the historical records give us the following information:
1. The secular (Bizantine) records say that Mohammad and his followers murdered, tortured, enslaved and raped.
2. The Christian writers from the period say that Mohammed murdered, tortured, enslaved and raped
3. The Muslim accounts (hadiths) tell us that Mohammad murdered, tortured, enslaved and raped - and also did some very nice things.

So which of the three versions is true?

So, my dear Muslim OLOliners, please tell us why we should respect your prophet or your hurt feelings?

How about a little respect for the men, women and children whose lives were destroyed by Mohammad.

Shame!

John Kactuz
Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 4:13:54 AM
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It looks as though both extremist camps were working to promote the cartoons for their own gains. They were only successful when both sides by their individual efforts brought the spread of the message to a critical mass. This took a little time to achieve, creating delay between the original publication and the world-wide effects..

In any case, the Irony Party of Australia's electronic pamphlet carries this speculative report on the issue DANISH CARTOONIST RETHINKS MOHAMMED CARICATURE PUBLICATION at http://www.ironyparty.org/newsfeed.htm#cartoon
Posted by Senor Valquez, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 6:13:43 AM
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