Ms Fabijanic asks God to forbid abortion and Danna Vale from further utterences, If God is an Australian in the true sense He/She won't, it's not our style.

Child affordability has never come into it when a religion's dictates are that you shall go out and propagate to ensure the continuance and growth of the religion. Take a good look at the early Catholic church, particularly in the poorer countries.

If someone in a head to toe carrying a suitcase or looking rather fat sits beside me in a bus or train, I'm out the window. Why? Because I read the news and watch the T V. Whose fault is that?

If you can't believe an iman who do you ask or believe? The Local C of E priest?

As to Danna's comment being said to be " one-half Catholic and one-half Pauline Hanson " - sounds like a bit of religious bigotry and personal vilification mixed together.

Make what you will of the following excerpt from an article in The Weekend Australian Magazine, November 26-27, 2005 stating that

".......over the past 30 years the Continent's Muslim population has more than doubled, and by 2015 will have doubled again to 46 million. Many experts on Islamic studies predict a Muslim majority in Europe as early as 2070. Muslims will take over Europe numerically, probably around 2070, but will dominate the Continent long before that because they will form a majority of the under 25's."

"As Muslims become majorities it will be the natives who will have to integrate, says Alexis A;exiev of Washington's Centre for security Policy."

And it can't happen here? Convince me

Hey Coach

"As difficult as it is to find oneself in this predicament, the “other” victim is the unborn. To punish a new life for a crime they had no control upon is, in my opinion, a misdirected (revenge) crime at a hopeless babe."

Does this not seem very similar to sending someone (a new born child for instance) to hell for all eternity due to a crime (apple eating) committed by some distant ancestor..its called original sin isn't it? If it's good enough for God, don't see why it should be a problem for us..punish those fetuses!

Irfan

Who can we criticize? Once again you're making stupid, sarcastic and personally insulting comments about people who are saying their piece.

One of the reasons islamic coutries are such basket cases is because people are not allowed to ask questions.

Of course you or Fellow Human will point out some token example of the prophet's or islam's enlightenment that happened centuries ago, an example that's the exception rather than the norm. Of course you will ignore such things as the invasion of India etc.

I've had mossie women as workmates in 2 different countries, and known some as friends.

ALL of them attest to what a busted arse religion it is.

Also Irfan on your blog....
http://madhabirfy.blogspot.com
under......
Some Thoughts on Danish cartoons and Danish pastries

You are somewhat critical of the Danes, these are the people evacuated Jews to Sweden en masse during the nazi occupation and cared for their property during their absence. Do you think such people would invite mossies to live there then 'oppress' them without good reason?

You also say in 'Something Rotten in Denmark' by the 'islamophobe' Daniel Pipes http://www.danielpipes.org/article/450
reflects the hatred of some sectors of Danish society, just like this forum does, really? No it just sums you up, no one is allowed to criticise your backward religion and it's adherants, only you and the select few can, the rest are nazis.

Fellow Human, I've had interesting conversations with Egyptian Christians, no wonder they live over here in racist Australia, very grateful indeed.

For Scottie

mate.. I feel the need to urge you to consider the tone of your post.
I'm trying to make a point about social, cultural and political incompatability re Islam, but its not about the kinds of things you mentioned which have now been deleted. What you said kinda demonized them as people in a way that is not backed up by much other than anecdotal or hearsay stuff.
Let me assure you, suggesting they are dirty or whatever (all those things you said) is not neccessary to make the point about incompatability, which should be on verifiable grounds, and well reasoned.

I don't was to be seen attacking 'Muslims' in a personal sense. My target is "Islam" and the impact on our society due to its fundamental doctrinal and historical nature including the current violence.

Dobba.. Hal Lindsay says some interesting things, not all of which are easy to reconcile with the full story in Scripture. I believe the main message from such books is simply "Are we ready"?
Eschatology is probably not the strongest point of our secular friends here. Might be better to keep that kind of thing between the family :)

DAVID LATIMER. I appreciate your criticism, though I think you went a bit off the track claiming my post was 'dumb' :)
The stats were not 'my' stats they were from research and the ABS mate. And I already acknowledged that the birthrate applied to both Christian and Muslim Lebanese.

On the point of the 'revenge' attacks. I could also ask you 'why' did the action/rally take place which unfortunately was hijacked by some unruly elements who chased and bashed people of ME appearance. its not a chicken or egg thing, it has specific and identifiable historical roots.

David, You will probably get further with Scottie and others by a less hostile tone urself.

F.H. didn't mean to appear 'arrogant' :) but I am an 'only child', -goes with the territory, can you 4give me ?

Response to David_BOAZ:

To be fair, I said the list was dumb. I didn't take your 2nd post as a retraction. Scotty seems to think he is a law unto himself, so that was my reaction to him -- wouldn't call him a 'mate'. Davo has not only made a slur on Australian society by implying we tolerate racism (what a joke!), but wants to slur English (Anglo) society also.

Why on earth do you have the idea that mainstream-Islam supports religious persecution? A thought experiment. Aliens land on earth and they send their researchers out to examine the main religions. After the research is done they publish a list as follows:

Christianity: Nazis(12), Hutu militia(6), Klu Klux Klan(2), Pinochet regime(2), IRA(2), Mafia(1) Total:25 **
Islam: Bathists(7), Al Qaida(4), Jemaah Islamiyyah(2), Fatah(2), Hamas(2), Hezbollah(2) Total:19

They conclude that Christianity is the Earth's worst religion based upon recent violence tabulation using their advanced logic. They propose giving all christians a cerebral-reset (special alien technology). Earth appoints you as our ambassador. You say "No! look at Islam more carefully. Everyone knows how it encourages violence* " The figures are adjusted. Now they now propose giving all Muslims a cerebral-reset too.

Having made things worse, Earth appoints me as ambassador. I say "No! when people murder and torture, they usually may believe they are Christians or Muslims, but by their actions they reject their faith and no longer part of it." So the aliens propose to act against the terrorists and war criminals.

Happy ending!

* Please no replies on why 2 points or 5 points. It's just to illustrate the story. Obviously the points are irrelevant.
** This quote is fictional.
An interesting site: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/atrox.htm

Mr Latimer

'Why on earth do you have the idea that mainstream-Islam supports religious persecution?'

Probably because Mr Boaz lived in Malaysia and saw it first hand.

I've lived and worked with mossies in four different countries and have many in depth conversations with them. They support it.

What's your personal experience?

'A thought experiment. Aliens land on earth and they send their researchers out to examine the main religions. After the research is done they publish a list as follows:'

Not the best example, if mossies possessed the technology, the brains, the organisation and no fear of retaliation or organised defence against them then they'd happily slaughter millions for the prophet. It's been shown throughout their history time and time again as they raped and plundered their way across the Middle East, Spain, and India.

Further reading, go to http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/

Irfan and Fellow Human will say that its not representative, taken out of context and so forth blah blah blah well what is?

To me representative was dealing with them on a daily basis.

Not a pretty sight