Meg1

I am really interested to know just what you think you will achieve by personal invective.

Do you think you will achieve an epiphany among the Pro-Choice mob? Along the lines of "Oh my god - she's right lets enforce all pregant women to give birth whether they want to or not."

Now we all know that's not gonna happen - ever.

Reality Time for Meg1.

Abortion is legal.

Banning abortion forces women to access medical intervention illegally and results in loss of life & injury - we know this from relatively recent history - did you watch Compass recently?

What I would like to know, Meg1 (who values all life so much) just how you would solve the dilemma of unwanted pregnancy without hurting women - BTW adoption does hurt - psychologically not just the mother but the child adopted out. I won't go into the physical problems associated with pregnancy - you're a woman you should be aware.

So what is your solution?

Ban abortion and hope it will just go away?

Or

Provide safe and legal procedures for women to make their well-informed decisions?

Which do you favour, Meg1?

Or do you have another solution which you may opine without resort to personal invective?

The Catholic Church is partly responsible Meg, for it is organisations associated with the pro life movement, which are largely Catholic and which are encouraging people to breed like
rabbits http://www.prolife.org.ph/page/contraception

To hell with sustainability, don't care about starving
children living on rubbish dumps, the answer is to make
even more and create an ever larger problem, all in the name
of religious dogma.

Your argument about America is nonsensical, for doctors would
make far more money letting a fetus come to term, then
make more money from obstetrics etc. So your money argument
is invalid.

80% of American Catholics are even against the Churches policies,
no wonder the Catholic Church has lost credibility and people
like me think that the pope should be charged with environmental
degradation.

‘What I would like to know, Meg1 (who values all life so much) just how you would solve the dilemma of unwanted pregnancy without hurting women - BTW adoption does hurt - psychologically not just the mother but the child adopted out.’

Scout, life hurts us all at times. That’s reality. I have adoptive members of my extended family who are regarded just as those biologically related i.e., much loved, treasured gifts, a cause for grateful thanks.

Your assertions that adoption is ? more hurtful is offensive to those who have adopted out, adoptees and adoptive parents. Many who later seek each other out, often with support from adoptive parents. In my experience, the overwhelming feelings are gratitude for the life that has either been given or nurtured.

Do you know anyone who wishes they didn’t make that choice, whatever the difficulties? The same cannot be said for the statistical evidence on victims of abortion.

At what point of life does a person accept responsibility for the ‘choices’ they make.

It’s no secret how babies are conceived. Human beings are not ‘rabbits’, as such we have a responsibility to respect our bodies enough to know how they work and why and to act accordingly.

Children aren’t a possession to be demanded or destroyed, they are a privilege with a duty of care and responsibility for each.

It is a nonsense to suggest there are ‘unwanted’ pregnancies when it is practically impossible to adopt within Australia because the available children are practically nil.

These aborted children are so WANTED that people are traversing the world to adopt when they can’t here.

Col, your sensitivity to the re-use of your own ‘malevolent’ diatribe is amusing. It is ok for you to use against others though. I’ve made my point! It just takes a while to sink in with you.

Your incessant fantasies about Catholics and priests are indeed YOURS and yes, they are unhealthy.

I am pleased that I am no match for your bigotry, intolerance or malevolent hostility. You may have that dubious honour with no argument from me.

Meg1 I have no fantasies about Catholic Priest. Generally their “weirdness” is enough to fly like a red flag before them to warn of the danger within.

I have commented on the evidentiary practices of the Catholic Church. Those are, when a corrupt priest manifests, instead of expelling him, the historic practice was to cover-up the crime (and paedophilia and abuse of a position of trust are crimes listed in the criminal code), move him on to a new parish and buy the victims silence by agreeing to a settlement with a non-disclosure clause. (Unfortunately that is the model of most religious organisations and hence the basis of my mistrust of all organised religion, in general).

If you like to check, that is what happened. If you need evidence I will be happy to post you any number of website locations which carry details.

I will not comment on your assessment of me, than to say, your writings here display greater competency in the area of “bigotry” than mine ever could.

But to get back to the thread

Who anointed you to tell other women, who you do not know, have never met and who do not give a damn about your personal convictions, that they must not use abortion in the circumstances of their lives (which you have no idea about) because you don’t want them to?

Especially when being a Catholic does not
1 Make you omnipotent.
2 Endow you with insight.
3 Mean you represent anyone other than yourself.

Btw I guess soon this thread will drop off the end of the page and all your posts with is. You will likely join the hoards of other anti-abortionists, who disappear as rapidly as this single thread, many Catholics and some priests among them. You will be gone but I will still be here, posting away on what interests me and waiting to slap down the next attempt in futility by some power crazed zealot driven by their own self-righteousness and ego that is intent on inflicting their closeted opinions on real people.

Meg1

You continue to patronise with statements like:

"Scout, life hurts us all at times. That’s reality." No sh*t Sherlock! Who'da thunk that.

Well, seeing as you have some understanding as to the difficulties of life, perhaps you could afford some support for women faced with an unwanted pregnancy.

I asked a couple of very clear and succinct questions which you have thus far ignored.

Given your acknowledgement of how painful life can be, I will remain optimistic and repeat my questions, now that there does appear to be a heart beating in your bony breast.

So what is your solution?

Ban abortion and hope it will just go away?

Or

Provide safe and legal procedures for women to make their well-informed decisions?

Cheers m'dear

Col, mjpb has fully answered re: Catholic priests and despite your obsession, it is essentially a red herring anyway with no relevance to this thread.

None in these posts is more successful in discrediting their own argument and contradicting it in the one sentence than you Col, as you while away your life ‘waiting to slap down the next attempt in futility by some power crazed zealot driven by their own self-righteousness and ego that is intent on inflicting their closeted opinions on real people’…how tolerant, open-minded, humble, hee, hee, hee…ok, Col…you’ve done it again! How well you describe yourself.

RE: Omnipotence - The difference between you and I on that score is that I have neither claimed, nor desire omnipotence…but I acknowledge He alone who can claim it.

Scout asks ‘perhaps you could afford some support for women faced with an unwanted pregnancy.’ Yes Scout I could and I do. It is interesting that of the support organizations to help women through difficulties in pregnancy and indeed to cope after abortions…it is the pro-life organizations who provide them, including the Churches…not the anti-lifers who claim to support women and their choices.

So much for pro-lifers fading away, yes, we fade back to doing something positive, not just making a lot of noise on numerous posts and expecting the rest of the world to pick up the lives that are destroyed afterwards from ill-informed pressure or demands made with little regard for consequence or responsibilities.

‘So what is your solution?'

Neither Scout – wishin’n’hopin won’t make abortion go away, more self-lessness and self-discipline will… If there is sufficient support and encouragement to do so – most of us manage to live our lives not only taking responsibility for our own actions, sexual included…but also helping others who for whatever reason, need additional support to do so.

That’s the society the Christian Churches aim to encompass…despite human imperfections we keep trying, despite the bigots and the bad-mouthing and the pitiful heckling from the sidelines…and we’ll be there to offer the same to each of you too, should you need it