Alchemist,

I usually appreciate your comments except for the 'religion is the source of all evil'.

Wars, crimes and all evils existed in all empires throught history way before any religion did. Control, greed, Gold, even a conflict over a woman (Helen of Troy) was a good enough reason to wage war, destroy nations and cultures.

Good and evil is part of every human being I guess. Its the internal battle that counts.

I took the kids to Dubbo Zoo and I personally prefer the way animals mark their territory: they just wee everywhere rather than killing everyone else! sounds good to me.

Peace,

Fellow_Human,

Hamdella alal salama! I can’t believe I am saying this but I really missed you.
I am also glad you visited your fellow animals and reconnected with nature. Perhaps The Alchemist needs a bit of that too except he probably thinks he is one of them (evolution theory).

Just on >> Its the internal battle that counts.<< thingy...

I don’t know if you rightly realize that all of the works you could ever do, and all of the prayers you could ever pray, all the internal or external struggles you could eve endure, cannot take the place of God’s way.

Only God’s way is perfect. God is gracious, compassionate, and merciful

God has provided THE way, and every man and women must choose whether to accept God’s way or try things on their own way (i.e. religion)

The alchemist,

Once again, a lot of smoke but no meat.

In your opinion:
>> Coach, your belief is false and history supports that fact.<<

So let’s consider your belief (or the lack thereof) your “REALITY” (I won’t quote any scriptures)

To assert that reality ends where your perceptions end is completely unjustified.

1. If you cannot see or otherwise perceive something does it mean that it doesn’t exist?
2. Is reality what is only real to you?
3. Could what is real to you be also not real (or false) to someone else?
4. Do you need to qualitatively and quantitatively experience something before you can perceive it as real?
5. What if the true nature of reality lies in an area inaccessible to experiment?
6. Is it possible to assemble ‘reality’ with enough pieces of evidence?
7. Is it possible that something is real but remains elusive and unprovable?
8. Could any part of your perceived reality be considered unknown or inaccurate?
9. Is it fair to assert that unless all reality fits your understanding it is deemed wrong?
10. Can a theory be considered real even if it lacks some evidence?

Please log-on to http://www.jihadwatch.org and see just what worldwide pagan islam is really up to. numbat

coach, first up congratulations on one of your best posts.
I liked the fact that it included
- A friendly greeting to a muslim (assuming that the non english phrase fitted into the rest of the greeting)
- some humour
- reasonable questions

Your questions make sense. I wish to add an item to the list
Is a theory void if one verifiable exception to the theory exists?

Cheers
R0bert

Coach,

Thank you for your clear well wishes in ‘north African’ accent. ‘Allayessalemak’!
I am beyond conversion but will watch with passion your attempt to convert Alchemist. HE (meaning ALchemist) is a tough one to crack. Be careful that HE (meaning Alchemist again!) will not pull you his way.

Numbat,

As per your request I visited the site you refer to in many posts. It basically picked a shallow understanding of Islam and Jihad often used by terrorists and stretched it to fit every muslim. Good propaganda website for simple readers looking for microwaveable answers. I am yet to see an objective website.

Peace

Hi all, I survived the sun, sleep, sand and glorious bird songs, and event he MARCH flied.. (thanx to aeroguard).

My time away was also a tribal re-union, and I met many characters from the book of Genesis (which I read again, with many amazing new insights) but they just had different names.

The man who sells bait, tried to promote a by law which would give him exclusive rights to sell bait, and prevent OTHERS from pumping their own ! If people of the same race will do this, now much MORE will those of different 'tribes' do so ?

F.H. "beyond conversion" ? well, please don't insult God, and I mean that in the nicest way. Many an old testament character were at their 'last gasp' and about to give up, when God met them at their point of need. He will meet you at yours also, and you will know Him.

Alchemist ... well refer my comment to Rob about the man who spilled his semen. (and then watch out crossing roads)

Robert, maybe now you see why I didn't jump on Coach :) for his 'boldness' ? "And I give you another comforter, who will lead you into all truth"......

Rob, was thinking about your description of your pilgrimage while reading Genesis over the hols. I'm edging towards the view that you had a predetermined idea of what you think God should be like, and when you did not see this in His Church/people, you felt He was not there. I thoroughly recommend a nice slow read of Genesis again, and even the hard bits like 'And God KILLED him,'(referring to a man who spilled his semen on the ground while having intercourse with his late brothers wife to make a child) and try to comprehend that "our" ideas of God, are conditioned by so many contemporary factors.

You suggested I might be 'so indoctrinated', etc, but if I am, it is my own doing. Come, join my club :)