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Sydney riots: how do we fix this? : Comments
By Rafa McNulty, published 20/12/2005Rafa McNulty argues Australians need to condemn the bigoted sentiments that divide this nation.
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Posted by meredith, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 1:09:29 AM
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Bwonwyn:
Such deliciously haughty affectation, this is impressive. And that anecdote too, I feel suitably chastened for my lowbrow tendencies. “and at the risk of incensing the posters involved” Actually I was feeling a bit frisky after reading that, are you seeing anyone at the moment? “I’ve never known what it’s like to look and feel different from the majority group.” The obvious remedy for this is to get out more and mix with a more diverse group of people. You might learn something. So, here is the deal, why not act as a force for good and educate the plebs. Could you perhaps explain the clear and obvious benefits of multiculturalism. You know, clearly and obviously. Without resorting to mawkish sentimentality of faux sociological claptrap? In terms that the average mouth breathing troglodyte (me) can understand. Please! Posted by Mr.P.Pig, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 1:54:35 AM
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Bronwyn
You use your experience with the mossie woman at the traffic lights, may I use mine? In Germany I worked with a number of mossie women from Turkey and the Balkans and had a wonderful encounter with an Iranian exile. In Australia I was friends with two lovely Turkish women and in my work with the National Parks sometimes managed to talk alone with scarf clad ladies before their male relatives inevitably 'came to the rescue'. Their overall impression of islam and their culture to them as mossie women. It sucked. Common comments...... Mohammed: rapist, murderer, paedophile, . The hijab: In Australia, 'Have you ever tried swimming in the effing things?!?!?' Mossie men: Generally lazy, immature, spoiled. At all times I played the innocent, 'but isn't islam is wonderful?' This often brought looks of incredulity, sometimes disgust. One aussie mossie woman even gave me a broad but fairly detailed overview of the rampant criminality her culture, mossie leb, practices in Oz and how their crappy reputation is so thoroughly deserved. She said this with shame and feared for the 'few decent ones amongst us' (her words) as they'll inevitably lumped in with the rest when society in general finally decides to take action. Anecdotal I know but nevertheless, illuminating. Posted by CARNIFEX, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 6:04:19 AM
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Dear Bronwyn,
I too, was deeply touched by what Mr.P.Pig attributes as your deliciously haughty affectation even if it was somewhat confected, and what a much more uncharitable racist type person might describe as P.C. rubbish. What does concern me was the apparent feelings of inadequacy which are manifested by the self confessed emotion of shame felt in relation to your nationality, through no fault or abhorrent behaviour of your own, or another, but the subjective interpretation of another’s behaviour or even more serious, on the basis of; the shame tainted perception of the subjective perception of an aliens interpretation of our unique Australian culture. I was also concerned by your inclination to Judge, even if an attempt to balance your personal prejudices was made. In the subject refer to as the smile, I am reminded of the McDonalds Maxim: If a customer does not have a smile, give them one of yours. Usually you will get one back. Unfortunately this would be difficult if the face was covered by a veil or Hajib? No wonder people of middle-eastern appearance are tending to congregate with others from their homeland. I'm sure we would too if faced with this level of indifference and hostility. At least Bronwyn, you were honest enough to acknowledge this inherent insular and pack mentality which is the very antithesis of the professed object of multiculturalism. You can take my current survey on multiculturalism @ http://www.franksartor.org/orangenet/ Posted by teamworktom, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 6:40:01 AM
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Dear Bron
Our concerns are not due to either 'hate' or rejection of common humanity. I find myself bewildered and scratching my head at the number of times people of the Left,Green,Democrat or PC political flavor incessantly attribute 'hate' to those who have a different view of how society should run. Its almost as if they all went to 'marxist propoganda school' . We have common humanity, NOT common race, language or culture. The prevailing cultural flavor in Australia, is English/Irish/Scottish/Northern Euro in that order. (ABS) with around 74% of us in just the first 3 of that grouping. Common humanity is NOT common culture. Cultures can only do 1 of 2 things whent they encounter each other. Where incompatable difference exists, they either bow or rule. Now, in good PC spirit. it would be extreme bad manners for a small group to insist that the LARGE pre-existing group accomodate practices and cultural norms of the smaller group which are in conflict with the existing. One example is the Emeregency Services handbook on cultural approaches to ethnic diversity. It SHOULD be as follows: All would be migrants are TOLD about how things are here, and they come KNOWING they will be treated thus and so by all and sundry. They should agree to adapt or not come. Would YOU goto a mosque in Pakistan with your spagettie string top on and miniskirt ? When they gave you the good word about 'innappropriateness' would you harangue them as 'intolerant' ? I hardly think so. Why then berate us? We do NOT tolerate Domestic violence, so why should a Muslim family with an abusive father/husband be treated 'softly softly' when it is so vile ? So, I wonder 'why' it is that some people have the view that ethnic minorities share the idea 'common,tolerant humanity' when in fact they do not ! Let me ask you a question. "Do you believe that Ethnic minorities are NOT primarily concerned with advancing the interests of their own communties irrespective of how it might impact on other cultural interests" ? Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 7:31:44 AM
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Ive dealt with ISLAM once before at Singelton when in the ARMY. We had the pleasure of hosting the thieving lying dirty bloody Kosovar refugees if this any indication of the calibre of people of ISLAM trust me we dont want them here full stop, bunch of ingrates very similar to thier LEB mates in Sydney.
All mozzies should be deported from our sunny shores with a $20000 thanks for coming ex-gratia payment. Slobodan Milosevic should freed with a full pardon and left to get back to his valuable work and our lefties and journos sent to help him with same. This country is a bloody disgrace, why are we left pandering to such a weak gutted race like ARABS of all people. SCUM of the bloody earth. Wake up Australia theres a war brewing and its about to get savage. Posted by SCOTTY, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 9:11:09 PM
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The PC has done so much to answer for. PC has hijacked impotent issues with a complete lack of credibility and hate-mongering. No one respects the environmentalists anymore thanks to the Greens.
Any PCeer that comes on here to comment never has substance. And are so out of touch with reality. I’m not saying this to have a go, it’s truly a shock everytime I read a post by one of your lot.
You will find many of the people you are condescendingly judging as racist have lots of different races of people in their lives on all levels, from love to trust in business.
Does that give you a clue at all why we think PC is full of morons?
A PC poster recently said this to Ifran about his constant accusations we are nazi brown-shirts.
“Most of this group are not racist/nazi sympathisers etc but rather concerned about protecting a lifestyle they enjoy for themselves and their kids.
Suggestions are welcome about how to ease the fears of this group.”
A way to ease “fear” or resentment is to:
1 Not assume we are unsound or in need of “help” with fear, we do comprehend very well.
2 If we vote and win against PC and multicultural laxity, understand our decision to do so was not a flaw that needed fixing.
Your story of the woman on the street, how many stories are there of Anglo girls being spat bashed raped by islam?
Auusies don’t like this, more so moderate islams absolute lack of admittance and protection of its criminals… do you comprehend?
We are sick of interfaith meetings, all they do is legislate silence, victimize muslims to such a sickening degree. Why don’t you go help one of Anglo girls who was raped for 3 days solid and has had her soul ripped out. Find out what a victim really is.
What you need to come to terms with is the majority of the world are anti islam for dam good reasons.