Rafa lives in denial.

That is the problem.

I have heard Canada being mentioned before as being a successful multicultural country. But as Meridith points out that is far from the truth, they have massive problems with muslims and right wing christians, who are pushing each other towards conflict.

You can talk all you want about what the problem is, and express bitterness and insults. But it all boils down to religion and its expression. Until you rid this country of the public expression of religion, then there is no hope of this current society or any other surviving in the future. Whether it was political correctness that has brought us to this point or just religion, is not the point. It is with us and growing rapidly, those that think it will go away are living in fantasy land.

If we continue to allow religion to dominate us as it does throughout politics and our social structures, then we will suffer the same fate as societies have throughout history, destruction. Religious expression throughout history has always involved the destruction of all that differs in their beliefs.

Throughout history, all our sociological problems have stemmed from religion, wars have the full support of the religious on all occasions. Name one conflict in the world that is not of a religious nature or doesn't have the backing of a religion.

Deportation to muslim countries in conflict should be the punishment for muslims that commit crimes or promote islamic principals and deportation of christians to christian countries in conflict should be for christians that promote christianity. Remove religions tax exceptions and support for religious schools from the public purse.

Finally ship all the PC's to a war zone so that they can love and care the combatants into submission. If it wasn't for the politically correct brain dead, then most of these problems wouldn't be present.

"It takes more than a citizenship ceremony or even birth in Australia to be a true Australian. You have to ‘feel’ Australian." Pity you never made it Rainer.

Leigh,

You are spot on.

Being often charged with 'bashing' various groups, and not seeking solutions, I'll try to outline one possible solution to the CAUSE of the riot at Cronulla.

CAUSE. Define the problem.

1/ Some ill-mannered Australians sling off at the 'new chickens in the pen' (Lebs, most likely the Muslims) This has happened for every new group that ever entered the existing 'chicken pen' of Australia, so does not explain the full picture. All the others, "Wogs, Dagoes, Chinks' etc.. all have come through the initial pecking by the other chickens and we pretty much get along now. (I don't recall these groups calling 200 ethnic supporters for battles)

2/ The Lebs who were abused by the Aussies, sought safety in numbers, by returning with more of their own. The greater the numbers, the greater potential for violent confrontation.
As background, Cronulla of course being accessible by train, and LARGE concentrations of Lebanese are in SW Syd(93% of all Lebs in Australia, I heard) , so the 'numbers' would understandably increase.

3/ When the numbers of Lebs reached critical mass and they perceived themselves to be a majority in the beach, they began pecking the original chickens, treating them as 'new chickens'.

4/ This loop continued, resulting in increasing racial tension, which finally boiled over with the bashing of the lifeguards and the riot.

SOLUTION.

Larger numbers of police on duty on 'beach' days, with clear guidelines for beach behavior as follows to be RIGOROUSLY enforced.

-All are welcome
-NO-ONE is entitled to cordon off sections of beach in the exclusive name of their ethnic group
-Game playing must be subject to it not annoying sunbathers, or a separate area set up for game playing.

Incidents of racist taunt, bullying, territorialness are immediately dealt with, and if intimidation of police occurs, they call for IMMEDIATE AND STRONG backup and if this fails, Civil Defense/TROOPS are called.

ZERO TOLERANCE of anti social behavior.

A better solution would have been to prevent a ghetto in the first place.

Part I

I am sick and tired of uneducated nitwits who call themselves "left", calling white Australians racist for merely being angry at certain ethnic groups that are actually extremely racist and disrespectful.
Why is it so hard for you to call a non-white a bigot or a racist or a homophobe or a chauvanistic pig? Regular Australians are nurtured in a self-critical environment, that is why, even though by mere default of where many immigrants come from, the European ones are less racist than anyone else, we still ask ourselves whether it is our fault or not. The problem with the Left though is that they have withdrawn our right to exercise this critical thought, because they know that some of the cultures we bring here would need a complete overhaul in terms of deceny and human rights and understanding equality.

This, however, is unacceptable. Who do they think they are to throw undeserved garbage at working-class Anglo-Australia just for pointing out racism and bigotry in a section of, for example, the muslim culture?

"I would in a heart beat fight to defend my country should it ever come under attack. But what happened last weekend was not a show of patriotism or love of country. It was Anglo-Celtic Australian against Middle Eastern"

This is where the fundamental problem lies : they(the left-wing ignorant racist) make a negative judgmnent about the Anglo-Austalian every time he is criticising an ethnic group. There is never even the slightest inquiry into the truth.
In the Cronulla case, they were fed up with packs of muslim youth intimidating and harassing them for years for no reason other than they are skip trash to them. Not only has this happenned to evry poor white in South-western Sydney, it is now, in the last ten years, happenning in suburbs where they don't even live.
Ask yourself : who is the bully here? They come to a predominantly non-muslim area and manage to frighten them? Release a pack of gorillas on any town and the locals will require the police shoot them down.

There is little anyone can do. The gods (small g) of fate have put the wheels of time in motion. The clock is ticking.

Understand that this is not about a beach in Sydney, or people from Lebanon, or rednecks and people who post to online forums. It is much bigger.

Events and circumstances, made up of million small things and a few big ones (globalization, communications technology, mass immigration, multiculturalism, political correctness, etc...) have
come together to give us Reality 2005. This varies by country, but many have the same problem – Muslim immigration. If it were just Australia, I would say “forget it”. However, the turmoil caused by Muslims reaches around the world and follows them wherever they go.

Do our Muslims friends ever ask what is “special” about Islam that it is so often associated with misery, hate and terror? No. A discussion about Cronulla is pointless unless you talk about London, Paris, Scandinavia, Pakistan, Egypt, Indonesia, etc... It is all one problem and Islam can only be understood in light of what it does where it dominates, and what its followers do where they go. Yet in the media all we see is “Australian racism.”

There is a pattern that transcends nation, race, ethnicity or individual. The only shared factor is religion. Muslims do not want to talk about it, but there is an underlying attitude of anger and contempt in Islam that explains much of what we see. This attitude varies from Muslim to Muslim, from sheer hate to peaceful acceptance of Western culture and, of course, its blessings. Another thing common to Muslims is their denial as to the often abhorrent content of their sacred writings and the frequently vile life of Mohammed – their “great” example. Because Muslims cannot recognize the problem, they cannot help fix it, and we cannot do it by ourselves.

I said 3 months ago this would happen, but not so soon. I was wrong. Now as a pessimist I find it discouraging that I was too optimistic. Bad times are a-coming and there is no fixing it.

Kactuzkid