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A Lebanese 'problem'? : Comments

By Tanveer Ahmed, published 15/12/2005

Tanveer Ahmed argues there is a specific segment of the Lebanese community in Sydney causing the unrest.

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David Boaz....

On a personal note, about so-called racism. Of course, everybody has prejudices - some more than others. And we all stereotype - some more than others. This is called "experience" and this is part of the "human condition."

I, too, have been called a racist, not by just anybody but by my own children. Yep. There were times when they unloaded the R word on me, like when I said that Europe would explode in 5 years for certain resons, or when I say things about certain groups. I say provocative things about certain un-pc groups, but that is acceptable.

For reasons that I don't understand, 2 of my kids are very liberal, and have used words like "racist" and "crazy" about me. Does it bother me? A little, but they are not stupid and there is hope. They must live their lives and make their decisions.

Anyway, the funny part is that on any week of any month, in or out of work, I have more contact with 'colored' people than both of them together in a year. I talk to non-whites, work with them, eat with them, joke with them and argue with them. My daughter lives in Switzerland. I have seen her friends, and they need a little sun I think. My other son has pretty much the same type of pale associates.

It gets worse. Perhaps they haven't noticed it but their mother, my poor suffering wife, it not exactly white. She is not even hardy brown - and we have been married for longer than most people here on OLO have lived, I am sure. We where married decades before inter-racial marriages were accepted or common.

And I am the racist in the family.

The fact is that people who use the "racist" arguement just don't have any really good facts or ideas. I am sure that there are people here who consider me a racist even though I have only written about religious and ideological issues. I really don't care what they think about me.

You have a nice Christmas.

John
Posted by kactuz, Saturday, 24 December 2005 5:16:05 AM
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Oh dear, I seem to have caught the ire of Mr P.P.

Mr P.P. as you are so easily threatened by anything that even remotely appears complex, I shall endeavour to keep my response succinct.

Had you been following this thread you would be aware that yet again BD brought his wife’s Asian origins to the discussion to prove that he is not racist. I concurred he is not.
How you managed to deduce racism from my assumption that BD’s wife is Christian defies logic and brings into doubt your ability to think rationally.

Furthermore, I am not hostile towards any particular religion. However, I have been subjected to considerable and continual abuse by a couple of our resident zealots and also to BD’s continual biblical quotes and admonishments. Due to the antics of these misguided Christians I am never likely to consider Christianity as a path to be followed. Other Christians such as Shonga and Crabby are a credit to their religion and make positive contributions to OLO.

I hope this has been edifying for you.

Boaz; passion is light years removed from obsession, my friend.

I am passionate about life, literature, music; in fact many things. However, I have sufficient respect for my fellow posters to refrain from banging on incessantly about my beliefs. It is an insult to the sensibilities of others that, rather than make valid points, (and you do occasionally make them) you feel the need to admonish the non-christian posters to this forum. This is obsession, more commonly referred to as Bible Bashing. You do not win converts from this behaviour.

Therefore, I can only conclude you do not respect others.

For example:

“…………… you have gone totally astray and are heading for a Christless eternity. I encourage you to turn to Him now, and leave forever the hate,violence and darkness which is Islam.

Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 7:57:37 AM”

From the ‘Some will not Integrate’ thread in admonishment to Muslim poster.

I leave you condemned by your own bigoted words.

Merry Christmas.
Posted by Scout, Saturday, 24 December 2005 11:01:28 AM
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In observation where an accumulation of people are, there is an accumulation of communications and donation.

Wealth is power to the current "Consumer ideology" which is driven by an accumulation of people.

Religion has proven to be of influence as history as read in Literature and Biography.

Australia is still a young country who needs to think and consider its future by current and past models of our visionaries.

We need to maintain the "Freedom of democracy" so that as custodians we can change these visions for our future and its environment, if do not wish it harm.

We are merely borrowing what is theirs.

Religion in Australia has never had the intense burden and pressure that is being highlighted.

Australia has been guided on a humanity toward common interest and a patriotism toward providing opportunity to our future generations.

And nice stories of hope and aspiration
Posted by Suebdootwo, Saturday, 24 December 2005 12:34:49 PM
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On the record I am an ALP voter always, yet my and my partys enemy is more often the leftists.
They small in numbers drag us down at poll times, most recently the Crean/Latham team turned us into the Titanic.
Here in this thread the left displays its self, we most of us are so far from raceist you can not get further.
Aware of the growing world wide problems and Sydneys crime ,hate, and ongoing problems based on hatred of skippys, Australians, and its home within the Lebanese Muslim comunity we are constantly abused by the left.
Please go Green stand away from the only party that can remove Howard while Labor must move to the middle ground .
And pray you never be a victim of true hatred shown to us by a few.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 25 December 2005 3:57:22 PM
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Cronulla and Maroubra was not about white supremacy, so we must be careful not to identify the problem merely as a "White's" problem. It was not intrinsically a colour problem it was sparked by what most Australians consider a criminal cultural problem founded in Lebanese Muslim attitudes that has been ignored by the will of Government for years. We do not have problems with black African refugees or Indian settlers or even Lebanese practising Christians in Australia. The attitude is isolated to a cultural gang of Lebanese Muslims who despise our culture as inferior and they consider Aussie women degrade themselves as sluts by their undress.

The Cronulla protesters were typical Australians, other than a few White supremasists who hijacked the protest with violence. The real attitudes of supremacy was previously present in the cultural minds of Lebanese Muslim youth, who despised our Australian beach culture; culminating in the assult of surf life savers who in the minds of these Muslim youth had trespassed into an area they identified as their beach area.

"Get off our beach" was the retort to the life savers before the Muslim youth assult. So this is how they identified and saw the problem. Surf Life Savers are there for the protection of the whole beach area. This is the culminating point of the conflict!

It is this attitude that Australians consider as selfish criminal behaviour that has been condoned and not actively condemned by the Government and activist Muslim leaders. This attitude might be foreign to our values, but any action even if considered criminal to the West is acceptable if ultimately fulfills the rule of Allah's laws. This is a commonly used strategy in the Muslim arsenal to gain territory, and they have now conned the Government to give hundreds of thousands of Dollars to train Muslim life guards, while the Government has given little to the training of existing Surf Life Saving Clubs. Yet these Clubs are open and welcomed all who will comitt to its disciplined training and service
Posted by Philo, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 7:35:02 AM
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Thank you, Nicola, for your understanding. Here is why I believe bullying has reached the stage that it has.

My children have been overtly systemically targeted and bullied by the system for many years. When fellow parents saw what was happening to my children they didn’t offer support or help they got together and picked a representative to come to my home to tell me not to mention them, their kids or the school in my formal complaints as they were scared it would have an adverse affect on their children and that their children would also be victimized and targeted. They turned their back on my children and left them to be destroyed. The lack of public support made my children easy targets for the system.

Children learn by example. There are adults that are setting terrible examples for our children in relation to how to respond and deal with these issues.

I couldn’t believe that fellow parents could turn their backs on innocent children so I spoke to one mother about it and I asked her if she saw her daughters best friend being victimized and treated unfairly, whether she would stand up on her behalf and I was told NO!. I was told that if it didn’t concern her child that she would not get involved.

It seems like people like to wait until a child is either dying or dead or does something that threatens their child before they feel any moral obligation to intervene.

If the silent majority do not stand up and support each other against the bullies then we will not be able to overcome the problem. We live in fear or retaliation.

You are right about many wanting to set their own curriculum. I am not one of those as I find it really difficult, probably because my children are very highly intellectually gifted and I have no higher education or support and I stress. I actually don’t enjoy presenting the school work part of home-schooling. I do however enjoy being with my children, they are great kids.
Posted by Jolanda, Monday, 2 January 2006 10:43:39 AM
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