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By Irfan Yusuf, published 13/12/2005Irfan Yusuf argues after the Sydney riots it is now up to community leaders to provide real and lasting solutions.
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Posted by Realist, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 11:19:13 AM
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There seems to be allot of people confusing 'standing up for themselves' with a drunken mob beating up people because of their physical appearance. Cowardly, comes to mind. The second thing that came to mind was that given the tattooed swastikas that can be seen in the crowd, all those evoked grandfathers, the real defenders of this country, would probably have been fighting that mob.
The reason we are critical of the attitude and events on Sunday (and the moronic retaliation) is that we honestly believe that Australia is a civilised country, where the rule of law is respected. If there are problems, as people have suggested, with the rise of gang related crime in mostly Lebanese areas, then the disregard for the law should be punished. What should not happen is that an opposing group of Australians resort to the same uncivilised behaviour. Now im guessing that there will be allsorts of excuses on the basis of 'they started it' 'we were sticking up for ourselves', but this only exposes the primitive and uncivilised minds of the majority of posters. There seems to be amazing similarities between the state of mind of the far right, and the groups they often class as their enemies. Posted by its not easy being, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 12:23:54 PM
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Cowards of Cronulla (my apologies to Kenny Rogers)
Everyone considered them the Cowards of Cronulla They'd never stood one single time to prove the Leb Gangs wrong This country called them Aussies, multiculturalism called them rednecks But something always told me, they were reading Aussies wrong. Years and years of preaching of Australian black arm history Education experts telling them, our culture was all wrong I still recall the the preaching now, three decades on and counting White Australia is over multicultural has just begun We promised to be tolerant even of the intolerant Walked away from trouble when we can It won't mean your weak, if you turn the other cheek They hoped we're dumb enough to understand You're not allowed to fight for your rights or land. There's somewhere for everyone and Cronulla boys loved surfin Catching waves and riding tubes and laying in the sand. But one day while they were swimming, the Leb Gangs came a calling They bashed up two lifesavers And there were eight of them. Years of intimidation, had bottled up inside them. They were not holding nothing back, they let them have it all When the surfies left Cronulla, the leb gangs were all long gone Back to terrorising Bankstown, with knives and bricks and all We'd promised to be tolerant, even in the face of intolerance, We walked away from trouble when we could Please don't think we're weak we didn't turn the other cheek We now know and hope you understand Sometimes you have to fight for this great land. Posted by the usual suspect, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 1:00:06 PM
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I cannot believe the tenor of many of the posts here.
Bronwyn, I agree with you completely. The usual suspect, if standing up for yourself involves a screeching mob attacking people on the basis that they look Lebanese, then please, please, please stop doing it. Some young Lebanese men misbehave and this is read as permission to declare open season on all of them? And some of you are trying to justify this? And on the basis that some of them make derogatory remarks to women? And you use examples about gang rapists etc? How many convicted pedophiles are anglos? Vast majority, maybe even all of them? Using your logic, then, all Anglo men should be kept away from children. Bradley John Murdoch, Ivan Milat are white Aussies, I guess that means backpackers and tourists are entitled to bash up white Aussies they see because, you know, some of them have killed and tortured backpackers and tourists. For heaven's sake, engage your brains! Posted by enaj, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 2:01:09 PM
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SAVOIR 68: I will answer your Genocide question:
It did not happen, at least the way some postmodern authors wrote. It was a total postmodern fraud and a massive public fraud, Need I tell you the reason why? The British, kept impeccable documentation, and ethics of rule of law, anyone –regardless of colour, black –white- green or orange were charged with murder, when proven it had taken place, and HANGED- A large number of White people were hanged for the Murder of Aboriginals. The actual Genocide of Aboriginals and the atrocities of such were Aboriginals. Tribal wars. So you can easily find out real facts by your self, become a real historian. Some sick bastard philosopher wrote: One, who controls the History, controls the future, Sound Familiar? Don’t feel guilty. http://www.sydneyline.com/Killing.htm This Fellow was a Red Hothead Leftoid too, but this Historian maintained his Academic Discipline, not like a great many others who kept up with the Academic and Intellectual fraud, even to this day. There seems to be more money in Looting for the Fraudsters than to contribute a truthful effort, Money for Looters is why so much Academic fraud is ramped, Like Politicians, the public pay many to lie, and it is your (Was) money some however get persecuted and sacked when they tell the truth: Get the Picture? You will love this one: http://www.culturecult.com/index.htm The Fraudsters will not tell you these Academic exist: read in full and then you will realize why. Posted by All-, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 3:33:34 PM
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Enaj,
I am a trained soldier, and have sworn a solemn oath to protect this country. Up until this trouble I was quite determined to protect the individual rights of all, however if certain sections of the community are intent upon attacking ordinary Australians, innocent victims and property - in response to finally having been stood up to (that was the original reason for the protest in Cronulla, the fact it got hijacked is irrelevent), seeks to attack our society, I will advocate that this si cause for response. The NSW Premier (and Member for Lakemba) has described the continuing attacks as a 'declaration of war'. That being so, the enemy does not have any residual human rights. That is what war is, not gangs of thugs - but premeditated murder, of the largest possible number of the enemy, carried out by professional killers, in whatever way they deem most effective, and which poses the least risk to themselves, and preferably when they are not expecting it. Either the communities that condone this violence (by not condemning they do condone) take extreme measures to prevent further escalation, or they will inevitably be decimated (if not massacred). And to answer the question why would the army etc. only trarget the minorities - that is easy, the majority of the country is every governments raison de etre, they cannot attack the majority to protect a minority. It no longer comes to a question of right or wrong, but rather, when will these communities and our governments realise the danger, and act to head off disaster. As the attacks on ordinary Australian communities continue time IS running out. Posted by Aaron, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 4:05:40 PM
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Get a reality check.
Pericles,
This will not blow over. Aaron has hit the nail on the head. There are far more frustrated and upset Anglo men than their are Lebs. People are sick of it, and like in all societies when the powers that be fail there is revolt from the population.
This wont die down, this has been building for a long time, the dam wall has cracked and is leaking, but it has not burst yet. When it does there WILL BE DEATH, there will be conflict and the guerilla style of the the Lebo attack will be decimated when people like Aaron (and a heap of ex army, Anglos with guns, farmers and people who have felt the force so far of the attacks)get involved.
This wont stop. Lebos will never be dominated, not while they are still breathing, and white Aussies will not lie down and be taunted and afraid in their own country. They are standing up now for All Australians against smart asses who are law unto themselves. It is all our fault Bronwyn?
Is is not about religion, the Australian spirit like it or not does not allow us to be intimidated continually, we are usually pretty relaxed mob. Just like individuals, when enough is enough we stand up for ourselves.