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Advance Australia not so fair : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 13/12/2005

Irfan Yusuf argues after the Sydney riots it is now up to community leaders to provide real and lasting solutions.

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Scout:

You make corn-flakes more enjoyable.

"I have worked, lived amongst and socialised with Muslims since the early '90's."

Hence you win on logical grounds alone, obviously. Are you more in tune with the situation than people that may have done so since the 80's do you think?  What about the 60's.  Or maybe this argument is a non starter.  Consider Robert Fisk.

"Unlike many posters here, I am intelligent enough to know that good and bad exists within us all."

I must remember this,  it is such a novel point.  I always assumed that people were one dimensional caricatures.

"No one race/religion or gender is better than another."

This is axiomatic in your world view I take it?  Have you ever considered whether this is true across all situations,  or is such a statement pure heresy.

"Many here have complained about a 'failure to integrate'. How anyone can feel that they are a part of a society which relentlessly, mindlessly and continually denigrates them for their beliefs, the clothes they wear or the colour of their skin."

Or denigrates the behaviour of a subsection?  It is too lazy to play the racist card and then expect to be taken seriously these days.   People are wise to it.  Beyond which,  the effect of the point you are making is that some races (the more equal ones) are placed beyond reproach for some reason.  This is racist by definition.

"If I feel hostility, then I avoid that situation."

Depending on the circumstance this is also known as cowardice.  I am sensing some hostility in your post by the way.

"How, then, do you posters who clearly hate Muslims, expect anyone to feel a welcome part of our society?"

Ask the muslims that clearly hate westerners the same question, in the interests of balance.  After that ask Mugabe about how he feels about whites.  And so on.  Then return to your original nuanced position, accepting good and bad in all, and see if you are indeed according the same level of respect and understanding to those people that you are disparaging.
Posted by Mr.P.Pig, Sunday, 18 December 2005 2:38:06 PM
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paragraph continued from above

You need to be aware of and love the good in the racists also.  You are intelligent enough,  by your own admission. Wouldn't want to commit the sin of being narrow minded and judgemental now would we.

"You have not made a single effort to consider the POV's of others - all you do is complain rather than looking towards extending the arm of friendship."

How tediously dolphin friendly of you:  no not the arm of friendship,  for the love of god,  anything but the arm of friendship.

"In effort to undermine reasonable posts you resort to personal insult. I have observed more enlightened behaviour at pre-school."

Yes,  but it is more fun. Also it is highly effective. Beyond which,  the pre school crack is an insult,  which makes you a hypocrite.

Here's a thought, imagine if people left snarky comments on bulletin boards instead of rioting,  raping,  looting...

"There is no justification for constantly deriding those with whom you disagree.  It is entirely counterproductive and only further worsens a bad situation."

There is every reason to deride the opinions of those with whom you disagree, it is wholly appropriate to do so. You are arguing for censorship here,  self imposed or otherwise.  Of course,  you are obviously deriding the opinions of the people that you disagree with throughout your entire post which again makes you quite the hypocrite,  doesn't it.

"I can only wish that you have some good fortune enough in your empty lives that you may feel generous enough to assist those less fortunate than you."

Are you on the lookout for donations? 

"Have a happy Sunday."

Ahh the passive aggressive finishing touch to be going on with.  Common tactic among a certain group of posters on this forum I notice. Well done.
Posted by Mr.P.Pig, Sunday, 18 December 2005 2:40:01 PM
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Arjay

I found your last post interesting in response to Rainier's question. I particularly enjoyed the notion in point 6. I think that you had better duck for cover when Rainier responds to your ideas. Lol!

By the way, I have never found your posts offensive or filled with "hatred" (as a poster suggested - I forget who). Far from it. As I read your posts I get the impression that you say it (whatever it is) as it is, from your experience. I cannot see anything wrong with that - especially given your experience of teaching in a school where there were some 80 different cultures (trust my memory here is on track?).

Cheers and Merry Christmas
Kay
Posted by kalweb, Sunday, 18 December 2005 3:16:55 PM
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Sheesh Dianne, that was quite a post... I am happy to hear about
your perceived intelligence :)

Life sure can be great, tippytoeing through the fields of imagined
bliss. Sadly in the end, reality hits with a thud, it does not go away, when we close our eyes and wish it would....

Now if you can use some of that intelligence to show some empathy
for the victims of bashings, assaults, being spat at, or raped,
for no good reason other then being an Aussie, I will take some
notice.....
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 19 December 2005 12:46:39 AM
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Some years ago I had the misfortune to work with a woman who was manipulative, greedy, controlling and vindictive. I and my colleagues were deeply effected by her behaviour. In the end, after submitting formal complaints to an uninterested management we either resigned or transferred.

She was and remains a Muslim - however she was and remains a workplace psychopath and was considered an embarrassment by her Muslim colleagues - who were dismayed by her behaviour and as unable to deal with her antics as were the rest of us.

Judging from the posters to this thread, what I should have done is gone to work wrapped in an Australian flag, gotten Pi**ed and then attacked anyone who resembled her – I understand that that is the Australian way.

I also have learnt from the posters here that to try to negotiate, discuss, compromise in an effort for people to work/live and play together is a waste of time.

I guess in the workplaces of people like Mr P P , Coach, Kaztuz, BD, Skidmarx, (and other Christian Soldiers – now THAT is an oxymoron), things must be pretty lively – what with all that vigilantism and cries of Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oi, oi, oi going on. Makes me wonder how you get any work done at all?

My experience tends to show that conflict is counterproductive – however, if I am to believe the posters here, conflict must be good for something. Well, at least it is good for a Pi**Up.

Must go now – getting a text message on my mobile…….
Posted by Scout, Monday, 19 December 2005 12:17:42 PM
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Well Dianne, evolutionary psychology has shown that turning the other cheek is a dismal failure, tit for tat is a far better survival
strategy. So Jesus was wrong :)

If you think about it, because of all those so called drunken yobbos finally taking things into their own hands, suddenly the NSW Govt has finally got off its proverbial arse and is finally doing something about a problem that had been going on for years. Had they never done that, no doubt PC correctness would have stayed as before and nothing would have happenend, the abuse that had gone on for years would have continued for years. Which just proves that
evolutionary psychology is correct in its findings :)
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 19 December 2005 11:06:10 PM
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