Hello Yabby

Now I don’t recall ever asking the people ‘turn the other cheek’ – I think that’s something for the U.C’s to consider. The point I was trying to make was that to react with hostility every time someone crosses us is usually a waste of time. Most of the time we are better off just getting on with our lives.

That doesn’t mean not sticking up for yourself – I believe it is self evident from this forum that I do not back down when denigrated by the U.C’s. I don’t always waste my time on their pettiness, but I remain true to myself and when they cross the line have no hesitation in pointing out their irrational behaviour.

I am not surprised at the ire I drew when simply asking that people try a bit more to get along with each other.

The situation at Cronulla has drawn out the underlying racism that simmers in our Aussie society. There are those who have a vested interest in taking advantage of poor behaviour (eg Lebanese youth), hence the infiltration of white supremacist groups and the calls for blood from the anti-Muslim rabble.

Cronulla is way past “who started it” – we need to take action and create positive communication between the various groups and this action has commenced. It is also a law and order issue. There is no justification for vigilante action.

I was simply trying to spread some of the season’s underlying philosophy which I thought was about spreading a message of peace and goodwill. The U.C.’s are nothing more than hypocrites as they continue to malign all Muslims and never offering any conciliation towards Muslim posters such as Irfan - who understandably becomes irritated at the unnecessary provocation. I believe they deliberately try to stir up Muslims in order to justify their pathetic and divisive agendas.

Yabby – you know full well I agree with you that we need FROM religion.

Cheers m’dear

Excellent post, Dianne. Especially if you meant the last sentence to read, as I'm sure you did, "we need freedom FROM religion" - as opposed to needing freedom OF religion. Haven't checked back over earlier posts so could be wrong here, but couldn't resist commenting on this appealing possibility. A world without religion. The peace and good will that religious people preach to the rest of us might actually have a real chance in a world like that, don't you think.

Having a world free of religion would be bliss, then there would be no need for other ism's. I like the way they all preach peace and love, then attack everyone in sight.

Their arrogance and hippocracy knows no bounds. If they are not trying to kill others, they are trying to kill each other. They all believe in the same god, worship men of middle eastern appearance, that come from the Lebanon Palestinian region. Yet they accuse each other of following the wrong belief, racist and causing trouble.

Now how brain dead can you get with that form of reasoning. Doesn't that show you, that no matter how much non believers want to alleviate these religiously inspired negative situations, we have to realise that we are dealing with people that have little understanding of reality. So are not likely to accept reason, let alone communicate rationally.

The worrying thing is, from their past history, neither side will give up until everything is destroyed in the name of god. Now all the fringe radicals are jumping on the bandwagon, which is only muddying the waters further.

Love the idea of a world free of religion but not sure I want to live in one where authorities try and enforce it. That has some scary overtones.

As one poster suggested recently it should be done in private between consenting adults.

I'd certainly like to see an end to the various special treatments that religion gets (tax and rates exemptions etc) and an end to all government subsidised teaching of religion (church schools making a significant curriculum item of brainwashing kids). Maybe an end to all formal religious brainwashing of kids, let them analyse the evidence as adults instead of in environments where every staff member believes in the religion etc. If the evidence is as clear cut as some would have us believe that should not present any difficulties to the faithful.

That list could really grow.

R0bert

Bronwyn,
The freedom from religion theme is not new, if you have heard John Lennon's "Imaginae" this coming from a devout Catholic, seems odd, however Lennon was the greatest peace activist of the 20 th century. Surprisingly enough none called him a leftie,commo, but convienently he was silenced. My grandfather came to Australia in the early 1900's and was taunted, because he was of different nationality. All immigrants, Italians, Greeks, Soviet bloc, Middle Eastern immigrants have all had a baptism of fire, nothing new here. I am 50 years old, and gangs existed long before I did, again nothing new, young people up to no good in numbers. What needs to happen here is, the law be applied to the law breakers. A hospital employes many different races, who all work toward a common goal of health delivery, if it can be done in a hospital, why can't it be done in the community outside, with a bit of Christian charity. My grandfather was the most non-racist man I ever met, he was English.

All- absolutely loved your expose of Einstein's CIA files. Absolutely love your ability to see a conspiracy in anything more complex than a blade of grass. You are living proof of the downside of the internet - give a dolt with a grievance or a case of galloping paranoia a source of information (and if it's not authoritative, so much the better: it's then obviously Something They Don't Want Us To Know), light blue touch paper and stand back. But shouldn't you be a bit more careful? After Media Watch gave you that award? No, that was part of the Red PC Commie ABC conspiracy, wasn't it? How could I have forgotten? You have enough of a bully pulpit already - why not leave this forum to relatively sane posters, and you stick to taking talkback calls from late night drunks and people who wear alfoil on their heads to keep out the cosmic rays. You'll be ever so much happier. And so will we.