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From cuisine to separatist multiculturalism : Comments

By David Flint, published 2/8/2005

David Flint argues Australians should be asked if they want Australia to be declared multicultural.

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Multiculturalism is a cancer forced upon all western countries. In Britain the multi cultists are worse.

This article sums up the situation and should answer your questions Merideth.

http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CACE2.htm

Two race related murders, one white victim and one black victim. We know all about Anthony Walker, but nothing about Richard Whelan. Is that because Richard is white?
Posted by davo, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 3:41:16 PM
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meredith, there is an approach used by some regarding discrimination (of various sorts) which relates it to perceived power structures. Racism, sexism, discrimination etc can only flow from the supposedly more powerful to the weaker. Hence a member of a minority group can never discriminate against a member of a group perceived to be more powerful. If a member of an "oppressed" minority lashes out at you as a member of the "privileged" majority it is an expression of their oppressinon. Well that's how I understand the argument to flow.

That is why I think some of the left wing posters won't speak out against some racist acts. Why some refuse to condem DV when a male is the victim etc.

I'm of the view that while we should try and have some understanding for the issues which lie behind racism, sexism etc that does not provide an excuse for attacking others. We won't stop these ism's by turning the tables but rather tolerating none of it.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 7:01:16 PM
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SHOSHANA.......

elohim ohev otach

And.. God also loves the descendants of Ishmael... (Arabs) and the spiritual descendants, but in the hope they will repent and turn to Him.

We should accept individuals of any faith with compassion and kindness. This even includes NAZI's... but their ideas we REJECT....
and I have a feeling, that you especially, being Jewish, would reject them more strongly than most of us.

You have nothing to fear from Muslims, apart from 'ISLAM'. (which under Sharia law would probably have given you a 100 lashes for various forms of behavior which to your secular (?) mind, is quite ok.

You have nothing to fear from National Socialists... except "National Socialism".

We have nothing to fear from "Marxists"...except "Marxism"

When it comes to Islam, and its regard for Jews.. a bit of research might be helpful and informative Shoshana.

DAVO very good link there man... here is a quote from it:

"In the competitive struggle for prestige (and state resources) unleashed by multiculturalism, every minority must justify its claim by elevating its sufferings. Even established minorities feel obliged to enter the fray: while Muslims inflate every personal slight into a manifestation of Islamophobia, Jews cite the desecration of graves with swastikas as proof of a new wave of anti-Semitism."
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 9:12:57 PM
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Davo, don't compare apples with pears and don't call me pathetic if you don't mind. A shrinking white majority is something I've seen a lot of on a chilly Sydney beach. No need to put labels on black supremist, multi culti etc. It's called STEREOTYPING which is one of human beings biggest failures as an enlightened social species. For the female poster who has been vilified for being called an aussie slut by swarthy men... Yes, it's infuriating, but I've been called some pretty horrid (and ludicrous) things by white males as well, in their natural habitat such as a social venue or just walking past. I'd hardly say any multiculture introduced in Australia has the handle on sexism. It's easy to confuse the two when they're hand in hand (or foot in mouth). This is degenerating into blatant racism by the usual suspects. Frankly I would rather celebrate the individual, the glass is half full when it comes to people as far as I'm concerned, rather than half empty. That's not being PC, it's just recognising that some people are lucky enough to be born in the right place, right time, right country. Just because I feel I have been and have no inclination to move, doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened to me.
Posted by Di, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 10:19:48 PM
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Hello people,

Robert thanks for the frank explanation, very appreciated! Yes, I have heard that theory, and I agree. It's unbalanced to the point of being ridiculous, in its own racism. The damage done by idealist social fad type stuff is never good, to force social policies on people, where the issues are more personal (race culture sex stuff) is selfish and only breeds resentment. DavidBoaz is correct when he stated in his last post it's not the person it’s the effect of their religion or policy etc on our society we have to fear.

Robert the suggestion that NONE of us judge or criticize, whilst I can appreciate it, I don’t think will work with human nature, no human has the tolerance, to not form an opinion or have a reaction. I'd like open debate no holds barred let the structures /cultures /ideals what ever stand on their own merits, surely we can cope with a lil honesty and offence in the name of truth?

Di,
Aussie men have never insulted me, sometimes they are rude, but not with the hatred for western women of the muslim men. There is a huge difference…This is what I am talking about, when I have mentioned that I find PC an idealism that has had to come to the point of denying actual realities to maintain the PC utopian ideal.

PC has become so intrusive it even claims people's rights to their own judgments and feelings on issues by branding them with dirty words such as "racist". (If they are white) You want to celebrate the individual, well let them be individual.

I don't like Islam, I'm not stupid, I'm not racist, it's my observation.

The kids pass through sterile dumbed down universities, go on to dull government policy making jobs in the equal rights dept, some of us have to live in the real world enduring this whacked out S**t they enforce on our society. LOL.

Bring back real debate! Lets stop "chattering classes" condescendingly writing us off as "racist" and ask them to actually prove pc works for ALL citizens.
Posted by meredith, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 1:20:17 AM
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Meredith, I don't think you are stupid, I am merely gobsmacked that you don't see that dumb aussie male (sorry Guys but it does happen) rudism is not innate hatred or contempt, which certainly non-aussie males can and do openly display. Been on the receiving end of both and see it as totally misogynistic and coming from a gender, rather than a culture.

However, back to multiculturalism, which is and should be, much more than male behaviour. This is not the benchmark that we should be judging multiculturalism on. I too, have a problem with Islam but am much too uninformed to have a decisive and finished view on it. However, I have much as a problem with the culture of Catholicism, which I was dragged up in in the 70s, (Vatican II) which I had the freedom to question and reject. That's a democracy. The multi culti thing gives people that have been brought up in the old country, but most especially their offspring who straddle the cultures, the licence to question, reject and grow out of "the old country", and Aust has many things to celebrate about it. On many levels we have seen that with Italians, Greeks and Europeans, as well as Asians, and Jewish of all the above ilk. Why are we so worried about Islam now? We are still on NIMBY territory. We are alarmed rather than alert.

Nobody wants terrorism, which is not to be confused with genuine people wanting to be here and be part of a free, given multiculturalism - to be allowed to live and work and be involved in politics and religion. Wouldn't you, if you came from such a god forsaken place? To make sure it didn't happen again here? We have done well in a democratic, first world country, when it was mainly British. No wonder it is seen as Heaven on a Stick.
Posted by Di, Wednesday, 17 August 2005 9:00:10 PM
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