Hey Di....another post which is clearly untainted by many of the extremes of life :) I think your a 'cupboard liberal' just waiting to be outed haha... Kidding.

Re Islam Di, its not an easy thing for the average Aussie to get a handle on. It takes a bit of study, and certainly helps to have lived under it and with it in community (as I have).
To be honest, most Malaysian Muslims in the non PAS controlled states (PAS is an extreme/fundy mob) are just like the average Aussie, pleasant, helpful etc.. but they DO react also like us if you posture yourself or ur words in a way which could be 'threatening' to their prevailing culture. I understand it, and respect it.. and reciprocate it :) (good for Peter, good for Paul) in better terms, its just how people work in social groups. Its not rocket science (except to some here :)

I get a lot of vibes by chatting with Muslims on IRC, one even burned down his 'Christian' hostel in the USA as a student because he felt they tricked him into staying there to be 'converted'. He was from Egypt.

Di, then, one should read some Islamic History.. here is a good link

http://www.swordofallah.com/html/companionshome.htm

Its actually quite fascinating reading and gives one a 'sense' of the historic mindset of Muslims. Specially the Battle of Yarmuk which was the beginnings of serious Islamic military expansion.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbook1d.html

Another good one. That last is not an Islamic source, the SwordOfAllah is.

I dont't find the Quran in the least bit inspiring. The hadith are also shocking in many places, but are the source of many of the histories

Mohammed (founder)
Quran (holy book, said to be the 'literal words of Allah')
Hadith (oral traditions of the companions of Mohammed)
Histories (based on Quran, Hadith and various other sources.)

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/nickberg_photos.html (strong stomach required, look at the text not the photo's)

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/playboy.html

That is a 'hate' propoganda site, but if you filter out the hate words, the facts remain.

Hope this gives some insights.

Hi Di,

Thanks for the open answer and willingness to talk.
David has given links, the koran, hadiths and mohammad, amongst the poetical charm of the religion, these texts break down into a thesis for spread of islam, by colonizing, breeding and forced conversion, presently with legislation (implementing sharia law into other culture (look at the Victorian vilification case)), or civil war (rebal groups and terrorism, Africa, Indonesia etc).NY, Spain, Bali, London.

Also if you look on these topics:

The Ottoman Empire, the empire of peace, other analysis will include accounts of xtian and jewish and infidel persecution ranging from taxes to death. The crusades are worth a open mind as well.

Sharia law starting to legislate in Canada at present.

The 1915 Armenian massacre presently reintroduced into European high school history much to the anguish of the Turks who want into the EU.

Europe's past 40 years of multiculture is worth looking into, they have 25 years on us with Islam. There is a desperate attempt now to halt Islam.

The slaughter of Theo VanGogh (Vincent's grandson).
Ayaan Hirsiali a Somalian muslim woman who wrote the film Theo was slain for. http://ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/log/2067439

Dutch flag banned, termed racist.

Stonings in France…

I believe we all naturally have a duty to other lives as you do, scroll back, see post on Churchill's re the Nazis. I feel we should speak up as WC did and save ourselves from the fate of today's islamic Europe. Allot of people who lobby against islam haven't disliked other cultures. Nazi, islam, commi, catholic, xtian etc there is some good in all, it's up to us to research, as occasioanlly one is obscene to the point of no recovery.

I value your opinion and can sense your decency. I think "NIMBY" divides you and I on this. I say yes or no, depending on my assessment. For a myriad of reasons, my cultural preservation is vitally important to me.

Looking forward to your opinion on these topics.

Since they have not answered them, I pose the following questions again to those who post racist comments and/or vilify Muslims in this forum:

How exactly do you think that your comments help to ameliorate the situations that obviously anger you? Given that Australian society is now multicultural and 'ethnic cleansing' is not an option, just how does it help anyone to promote a return to a 'white' Australia, or to advocate the banning of Islam?

One might be forgiven for thinking that some of the most voluble posters in these threads are more interested in exacerbating conflict than in trying to participate in a more cohesive society.

I don't see any 'racist' comments posted, just plain old common sense. And if they are racist, how is that necessarily bad? The media exposure of the murder of Anthony Walker, and the zero media exposure of the murder Richard Whelan is an example of 'good racism'? Two racially motivated murders, same evening, a good opportunity for some white bashing.

Like I said before, Islamic terrorism is not half as dangerous as multiculti. Multiculti would have all white aussies hacking their own heads off in no time. To answer your silly question, though, restrict further immigration!

davo

i agree also on limiting incoming people and sticking to standerds of Australian culture, also not to start dole money support on multi marriage.

As for what to do about it as it is, try and talk to people about our rights as Australians /and rights to freedom of speech / join in lobbying agaisnt the shocking abuse of free speech in the Victorian Vilification case as it is only a test trial. One letter is seen as many voices by the powers that be.

Prnce Charles in the UK tried to set up (he may of done it by now not sure) a help and protection centre for apostates (people converting to xtian from islam, as they often cop it bad)

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/relrpt/stories/s892997.htm

a story of an apostate good reading hey.

if people aabuse you davo for been australian or try n slander you as a "racist" its not your problem its theirs, i find in bloggin there are left and right people who are seriously wanting to talk and willing to engage in disscussion and debate, both sides are valid and have points, i only bother with reasonable people. we have to take a lil on the chin at times hey. Its sad when ideas need legal protection lol it just shows their weakness.
even the pc abc tv had to be open about that one

GIAMAN

My comments are aimed at opening the minds of any reader who sees them concerning the true nature of Islam.
There is a lot of ignorance in our sense of fair play, which blinds us to some very real social dangers.

As for treatment of Muslims already here .. the Charter of Omar is a good place to start, but simply reversing the status of "Muslim" to that of a Dhimmi as they describe us.

There are about 20 restrictions in the Charter. You can do some research yourself about what this would mean. Look up 'Dhimmitude'.

http://www.dhimmitude.org/d_history_dhimmitude.php

This would be a tad radical, but its worth you expoloring to see just how 'they' consider 'we' should be treated under an Islamic Republic.

Immigration would be restricted to only those who fully understand our socio/cultural heritage and are willing to committ to respecting it, with all the restrictions of the Charter of Omar (reversed) explained to them as applicable if they live here. They would need to make written committment to never seek to change our laws in any direction which favored their own religious traditions at the expense of ours. (e.g. "Call to Prayer" from loudspeakers, Mosques or prayer halls built in places where the existing residents don't want them.)
They would NEVER be able to use our legal system to supress and repress our citizens from free speech, or from preventing structures deemed unhelpful to the existing social/cultural fabric)

(Baulkam hills council received over FIVE THOUSAND protest letters about the Islamic prayer hall... the council disaproved of it... yet the legal system TRAMPLED on the whole community)

Citizenship would be based on a "P" plate system, where good conduct is assessed over a long period of time, and 9 points of misconduct would mean loss of citizenship and deportation.

Sounds harsh ? nothing more than a recognition of 'act now or regret later'.