Hi anomie

Yes at times John Curtain was pissed of with Winston over Aussie troops, pulling us out of Nth Africa etc. The thing is Winston also, as happens in war, sunk a boatload of Brits. Nothing is perfect…bad stuff happens in war no one likes. Personally, I think WC would win a war, run a country, better than some crock like Mike Moore.

Many Australians love and admire Winston as a visionary (i.e. his recognition of the Nazis in the face of Chamberlain, his early detection of Stalin's agenda.

The basics are we were allies, with a common goal, unlike Iran who sided with the Nazis.

This string is about multicultural pros and cons, my post of WC's quote is an observation by him on that subject, and it is a review of culture by a man who has been right many times before, not bickering between leaders under the duress of war.

Also we are a nation of convicts, personally I dig that.

Hi Chainsmoker,

Yes that is a cool paragraph, faddish and reactive social trends such as social Darwinism and political correctness are just that, fads… fetishized idealisms can often be quiet selfish and out of touch with cold hard facts.

Cheers

Meredith..for 'Chamberlain' read "greens.. Bob Brown, socialist left"

They are all the same.....

The claim that 'multiculturalism works' is a rhetorical nonsense coming from the naive or those with the most to lose.

I do not believe in a 'multi-cultural' Australia. I like a 'White' Australia with a fairly significant minority population of diverse culture, with the exclusion of Muslims culture. And I mean a total exclusion of Islamic culture... if possible.

GZ Tan.......I'm with you!

Actually GZ, Muslims themselves have repeatedly said that they are against multiculturalism too, that we must all become Islamic. Doesn't it make the blood boil to know that these cowards use our western notions of freedom of speech, tolerance, to attack us?

Actually, the famed Omar Bakri, of Britain (although apparently now expelled) has said that "We Muslims will use your democracy to destroy your democracy". When one looks into Islam, one doesn't find the peaceful religion our leaders rant on about to the camera's, one sees a hateful, intolerant religion giving into man's passions, which is bizzare considering Muslims think the west is decadent!

Muslims are allowed to have four wives, kill their enemies (where murder is wrong in Christianity, it is not so in Islam....in fact their prophet was rather fond of it) and allows man to give into paedophilic tendencies as a girl is considered a woman at the tender age of nine in Islam, although the Prophet took a six year old for a wife.

Muslims are allowed to lie to the kaffir, treat us like dogs (look up dhimmitude on google) and much more. Further, if you've thought it strange how Muslims are coming out about Iraq & Afghanistan regarding human rights, you're not the only one. Muslims have always abused human rights, Islam means suppression, surrender, and while it's acceptable practise to beat wives, take child brides, and mutilate genitalia, they don't like it much when we kill insurgents in Iraq, and have the bizzare impression (which reflects the conspiratorial mind of the Muslim) that the west is blowing up buses full of school kids in Iraq....

I agree that one day Islam will be banned, I really see this. It's sad though, because our western philosophy accepts everyone else, as long as they are tolerant. Muslims clearly aren't on the whole. Their leaders do nothing but apologize for terrorism. Leaders like Hilali actually have said they support it!

Oh, the luxury of being a white supreme (Christian) male living in the right society to decree who shall live here and who shall not. Re killing enemies, i don't think Islam has the market on that, christianity has more than a bit of blood on its hands. I just love it when white "enlightened" males carry on about how oppressive Islamic males are to their wives/women in this day and age, remember guys, it wasn't too long ago when white male western society were rather open slather in their despicable ways they treated women under Westminster Law. Whilst not perfect, all should be tolerated whilst being educated, education being a much more insidious way of bringing around the enemy to our way of thinking. Otherwise, I'd still be in the drawing room with the ladies talking needlepoint while you guys are in the dining room smoking cigars and pinching the maids' bottoms. Culture with a capital K. Don't think it's too special

Alrhough I haven't posted much on this site, I've been reading the articles and comments with great interest.

It seems that this thread has now reached the stage where some people feel authorised to post comments that are openly racist or amount to little more than religious vilification.

Like it or not, we now have a 'multicultural' society, which includes a significant Muslim minority among others. There is no way that any Australian government is going to start deporting Muslim citizens or banning the practice of their religion.

Seems to me that those who hold racist or religiously intolerant ideas need to change their perspectives, because it can only lead to conflict in our society. We can't turn back the clock, and ethnic cleansing is not an option.