Wow Philo - excellent post. I feel now as if I can communicate with you - I truly hope so. I can't believe I am writing this. I must be dreaming.

I better read it again maybe I misinterpreted your thoughts. Nope

I agree it is difficult to communicate with someone covered head to toe in cloth - however, I would never go so far as to ban people from dressing how they choose - that would be too totalitarian.

"Recent Arabic cultures have arrived here that not only brought their rich culture but some have brought the tribal fanaticism of their exclusive religion."

"SOME" of their tribal fantacism". This is true. Not all middle eastern people are fanatics.

"It is these particular persons we need to isolate, educate, or remove."

My only quibble here is what you mean by 'remove'. If they are born here they can hardly be deported.

I like that you said educated - but how? I mean there's educate and there's 'educate'.

But it appears that you don't see all Muslims as evil? Am I correct in saying this?

Xena,
You rightly conclude I do not see all Muslim people as evil. It is those who cannot blend into our Australian identity and value our social relationships and laws; who want Australia exclusively for Allah under Allah's laws that pose a conflict we will inevitably confront on a bigger scale if we do not deal with this attitude now.

Such attitudes are espoused in the Hebrew Torah defined in the monotheistic laws of Moses and reiterated in the monotheistic teachings of the Qur'an of Islam. Both religions are derived from Abraham, but unlike Abraham 1950 BC who was promised land he would inherit, both Moses / Aaron 1300 BC and Mahomet / Abu Bakr 600 AD felt it was God's law they fulfilled by eradicating other religions from their land by civilian terror and violence. Both these religions have a strong nationalistic State / territory basis in exclusive religious law and exclude or suppress non-believers.

On education of the Islamists who are born here, since they have allusions in Jesus the Messiah in their writings, I believe education could start with exposure to Jesus son of Mary's teachings and accommodating attitudes toward Gentile non-believers.

YES Xena, of course you are correct.. I'm sure I can answer for Philo and myself (he will answer when he can)..
We (religious nutters) do NOT regard 'All Muslims' as evil. In fact your post and Philo's post reflect more of where were are actually 'AT'... which is why I roll my eyes when sometimes I see your rather 'bite us in the bum' type attacks.

The problem is 350words "little girl" :) (revenge is sweet)....
We speak in major broad brush strokes.
My remarks are aimed at policy changes, not at individuals.

You must think we spend all our day patrolling the streets looking at anyone of middle eastern appearance so we can throw something at them or rip off their hijab eh :).... der.

We love the food (specially me) and enjoy the rich diversity, I didn't take the time to learn 3 languages besides english without having a respect and tolerance and loving attitude to people of other races.

We just don't want our own culture and law destroyed, over-ran or extinguised by minorities. And with that in mind, I seek and urge an effort to codify more precicely an "Australian" culture which takes the predominant traditions into consideration. My vision of this is more of the 'Judao/Christian' than ethnicity, and is more inclusive than a race based idea. But out of respect to our pioneers, and our population the Anglo/Europeans and our indigenous people should figure prominantly in such a codification.

http://www.convictcreations.com/culture/poetry.htm <== worth a look

And you'll retake the Rhineland.....?

One of your earlier post on this subject...
"If only Kenny and others, you realized the depth of absolute racism/discrimination inherrant in Islam, you might catch a glimpse of where I'm coming from on social policy."

The fact is your a fundamentalist religious fanatic who wishes to have your moral codes reflected into the laws of not only this land but others as well. You support and take part in trying to change the “Culture” of other Countries. Why are your activities different then Muslims? You seek a monoculture by your own admission and actions. The fact is you to wish to change our multicultural secular liberal democracy. Remember what this thread is about, people wishing to change our way of life and you should count yourself among them

Lets play name that book of intolerance.

This day will I begin to put the dread of thee and the fear of thee upon the nations that are under the whole heaven, who shall hear report of thee, and shall tremble, and be in anguish because of thee.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness

Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter.

Now lets play name that book of tolerance

Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion

For who knoweth what is good for man in this life, all the days of his vain life which he spendeth as a shadow? for who can tell a man what shall be after him under the sun?

Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind

Kenny,
I suggest for a moment you look at some reality. The very fact that you post on this forum is an endeavour to change opinion to the way you feel should be the world. So do not try the guilt line, "The fact is you to wish to change our multicultural secular liberal democracy."

I ask: What Christian fundamentalist Nations or States exist that you identify as intolerable? What do you find intolerable in Christian ethics?

I ask: What Muslim fundamentalist Nations or States exist that you identify as intolerable?

Quote from your post in speaking to B_D,"The fact is your a fundamentalist religious fanatic who wishes to have your moral codes reflected into the laws of not only this land but others as well. You support and take part in trying to change the “Culture” of other Countries. Why are your activities different then Muslims? You seek a monoculture by your own admission and actions. The fact is you to wish to change our multicultural secular liberal democracy. Remember what this thread is about, people wishing to change our way of life and you should count yourself among them."

I suggest you attend a Christian cultural celebration sometime. I attend large churches where over 40 ethnic languages are spoken, where people dress in their national costume, and at community feasts each contribute their national cuizine.

The Christian faith should not contravene cultural heritage of language, food, and dress. It does not enforce Arabic /Hebrew or Greek upon believers to gain a clear understanding of the message. In fact Christian missionaries have deliberately tried to leave the wholesome aspects of culture intact, and continually update their language to better communicate to over 3,600 local language groups.

In fact a retired missionary friend attending my Church who worked in West Irian where men wore a gourd, followed their dress sense so he could be one with them as a man. Christianity should not destroy culture it should enhance.