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I am not saying that that members of that group should be individually expelled, because that would be wrong. However, Society has a right to reject those who will bring harm (no more, please!), and individuals like those posting here have a right to demand that members of an ideology that preaches so much hate and anger be held responsible for the actions of their fellow members.

What we must do is speakup - loudly, and tell these people they are wrong. We must say it again and again. We must tell them the things they don't want to hear, because they won't hear it from the multiculturalists. We must quote their writings and call their attention to their own accounts - and ask them how decent people can believe these things or honor people that did the horrible things that are written in their own histories. Everytime they open their mouths, we must lean across the table and whisper "No, you are wrong, and your prophet was a slaver and a torturer - lets go read the hadiths...". The good news is that these conversations usually don't last very long....

John AKA Kactus

Dear Col Gradolf

I've taken off the hobnail boots now :) sorry if I came across like that, I tend to at times.

All I'm saying, is that if we have a POV, then lets support it with some evidence, and work through it on the basis of how things really are.

I'm afraid I'm not one who will be very sympathetic to another viewpoint if it is not well founded on fact. I do actually change my own viewpoints, so be assured that last bit was not a statement of bigotry. I accept that on some matters we will only be able to achieve an 'agree to disagree' point.

Keep up the contributions, roll with the punches :

British prison population

Christian 85.8% Muslim 7.5% Buddhist 0.9% Sikh 0.7% Hindu 0.6% Jewish 0.4% Atheist 0.2%

If you get rid of all the Christians and Muslim then the crime rate would plumment. :-o

Kenny ,most Christians take their religions with a good dose of scepticism.Most Christians have an each way bet.They are not fanatical or even religious about their religion.They extract the good bits of being good to their fellow man and get on with the nuts and bolts of living i.e. working hard and enjoying life.

Not many Christians actually believe the BS of having a consciousness that surpasses this life,they just do the best that they can and if some god exists,well,that will be a bonus.

Fundamentalists Christians are miniscule in number compared to fundamentalists Muslims.The Muslim belief system is at odds with not only our beliefs but our open minds to new ideas and our diverse lifestyles.

I won't buckle to this ignorant totalitarian facist system of dictating to us, beliefs and lifestyle.

Muslims are either with us or against us,there are no grey areas of double speak and misinterpretation.

If we relent to their demands to achieve peace now,we are just enslaving our grandchildren to conflict, ignorance and subjugation.

Arjay, most “Christians” I know are not particularly religious, but I know enough potentially totalitarian exceptions to be wary. Similarly, most Muslims I know are not particularly religious. Same with the majority of Buddhists and Jews I know, for that matter. As with the Christians, it is something they grew up with rather than something that directs their whole lives. My Kurdish friend, Layak sums it up well when he calls himself a “passport Muslim”: it’s just a word on a document.

Is it true that “fundamentalist Christians are miniscule in number compared to fundamentalist Muslims”? I don’t know, and I really don’t think it is the issue. What concerns me are the good, reasonable, innocent people who are being labelled a threat to our society because of the way others interpret their religion. Judging Islam by Al Quaeda is like judging Roman Catholicism by the IRA. You really should talk with decent, intelligent Muslims about their disgust at the way their religion is manipulated by hardline thugs.

You say that you will not “buckle to this ignorant totalitarian fascist system of dictating to us, beliefs and lifestyle.” Neither will I, whether it be Muslim, Christian or atheist.

Ian I would like to congratulate you on your consistent and down to earth posts. I have grown weary of trying to reason with the extremist views placed by some of the posters to this forum. I hope that they are indeed a minority.

War and terrorism brings out worst in many people and this forum has clearly demonstrated what fear does to common sense - this sense becomes very rare indeed.

Australia has always been multicultural - when was it declared "official"? It is simply a fact of being a member of the species homosapiens - there are a lot of us and we hold many diverse opinions.

I too will never buckle to a totalitarian political system be it christian, atheist or muslim.