Aisha, well said. That is the 'ugly' side of the Islamic coin, but just as much a part of it as the other side. Head or tails, its the same coin. Ash will always emphasise the 'soft' sayings, but the truth is, what you said is all true.
There were a few adjectives in your post which are more suited to a 'propoganda' web site :) "psychopath" etc, actually you don't need those, the facts alone speak with enough volume.

Irfan was sharing about his 'Jewish Aunty' and while it is a touching story of real people, it is not where the rubber meets the road in the issue of competing faiths. As long as we Christians remain faithful to Christs clear and unmistakable "I am 'the' way...." etc, and Muslims claim MOhammed is the 'last and final' prophet, we will ultimately never have harmony of belief. If that was all there was to it, its not a problem, but the 'ugly' side of Islam is used as the launching pad and justification for the events in london and the 'carving' off of heads of kidnapped and helpless 'infidels' which is based directly on a Quranic verse.

I add my voice to calling all people, not just muslims, to come to Christ in humble repentance.

Ifran, you should be calling not just on the London Muslims, or world Islam to condemn those acts, I think a call to those close to the action/perpetrators would be more desirable. It is unthinkable that planning for such an action has escaped the notice of some less violent muslims, but fear might be holding them back.

Muslims who condemn violence against the 'west' today might just be rejoicing at the establishment of an "Islamic republic" by the efforts of hyper fundamentalists tomorrow, we will hopefully never find out, and in the mean time give moderate muslims the benefit of the doubt.

YngNLuvnIt, I had a futile hope that in respect for the dead and injured of London that we might be able to keep this thread free of Islam bashing. Clearly subsequent posts show that there are plenty of others not interested in that approach.

It is a time when we all should be welcoming and encouraging any Muslim taking a stand against the terror regardless of our own views on their faith.

Doing so does not provide an endorsement of Muslim theology or teaching, rather it expresses a desire to stand together against those who would bring terror to our lives.

Thanks for taking the post to the other thread.

R0bert

I will not bother responding to the many hate-filled rants being placed in these forums. I will let the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, do the talking ...

http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/mayor_statement_070705.jsp

"I want to say one thing specifically to the world today. This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful. It was not aimed at Presidents or Prime Ministers. It was aimed at ordinary, working-class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christian, Hindu and Jew, young and old. It was an indiscriminate attempt to slaughter, irrespective of any considerations for age, for class, for religion, or whatever.

That isn't an ideology, it isn't even a perverted faith - it is just an indiscriminate attempt at mass murder and we know what the objective is. They seek to divide Londoners. They seek to turn Londoners against each other. I said yesterday to the International Olympic Committee, that the city of London is the greatest in the world, because everybody lives side by side in harmony. Londoners will not be divided by this cowardly attack. They will stand together in solidarity alongside those who have been injured and those who have been bereaved and that is why I'm proud to be the mayor of that city."

I have no problem at all with your post kactuz, in fact an excellent post.

I had a friend who wanted to marry a person from a country with Muslim laws.

Her rights as a citizen of that country would have been lees than the illegal immigrants that arrive on our shores from this country.

She changed her mind after realising what it meant.

Let the Islamic people lead by example, and I am sure the world will be happy to welcome them into to the greater freedom available to others

Irfan - I did not send a "hate filled rant" to you or any poster in this forum. I have made one post to you - and I stand by it.

Kat - I found your response extremely interesting. It has given me another view.

Italian people fought against the Mafia in New York. They won. Muslim moderists should verbally fight against Islamic terrorists. I doubt that they will.

I am thinking of Londoners as I write this.

We need a united stand against terrorism since it will only take a small nuclear device to produce catastrophic consequences and this could initiate ww3.George Bush is a loose cannon.We need some one who can think before he acts.

Firstly,every nation with the means should contribute troops to Iraq in order to secure its stability.This will give more credibility to the intention of the US to withdraw and accelerate Iraq's progress to democracy and autonomy.

Secondly,get Israel out of the occupied territories of Palistine.

Thirdly,find alternative fuel resources to oil since it is both politically and environmentally a disaster.

Lastly,get all religions to remove the violence from their texts that premotes the over throw of other cultures/religions because of their so called superior god.How insane.We all believe in one god,but my particular concept of god is superior and we are dealing in the realm of imaginery beings!

Will it take the detonation of a nuclear device before we wake up?