Wow, go Teresa!
A christian finally speaks out against howard. Cool.

Teresa, I sympathize with your obvious passion about the Howard leardership, but some of the things you say are not just bordering on but actually are libelous and slanderous. The main reason being you are saying he IS these things, rather than you 'think' he is.

I guess if we were a fly on the wall of every place Mr Howard goes and where he meets and discusses things we would discover that he is flesh and blood, not the Messiah.

The main problem I have with your comments are that you drag Mr Howard down, but who do u offer as more worthy alternative ? would they be less cunning and political ? Kim would probably be the closest in the Labor party, possibly followed by Rudd, the only 2 who I could even think about.

Teresa are u aware of what goes on in the Labor side ? among the factions etc.. the ego the greed, the glory and the guts etc , preselection madness.. I mean.. who's left ? the Greens ? don't give me a heart attack by suggesting you would support them,

Some of the points u made about John, "warmonger" I think are naive and ill informed. Can you show me ANY country which has not survived by making alliances ? Sure, we have switzerland but its neutrality was as convenient to one side as the other and had the Nazi's won in Europe that neutrality would have quickly been absorbed by the Reich.

Teresa, if your Christian, I'd like to see more about Christ in your posts. Lets face it, HE is the only remedy for all the ills you have described.

I think we all stand rebuked by Him in our attempts to solve problems in our own strength. As His mind indwells us, we will see the way ahead and while it might be a struggle to get it right, we would all be better off for it.
blessings

Boaz, just coz U disagree doesn't mean my remarks are any less valid than yours. Howard is either ignorant ie 'I wasn't informed' as he frequently claims, or, he is a liar. I now which is most likely true. A man of his cunning, ambition and intelligence is unlikely to be so ill informed. May even U can work that out.

I note from your posts that you are a most ungenerous sort of christian and that jesus would have heaps more compassion than U ever express and I doubt he would quote the bible, ad nauseum, like U do.

Teresa has a right to her far more benevolent view than U. Now U can contribute to debate about the review and leave others to their beliefs.

U are very predictable.

David do you think it is your political and social ideology that underpins your attitudes rather than your Christianity? It seems to me that when there is as contest between what would Jesus do and the sort of conservative society you would like, you opt to vote conservative every time and yet I think that you claim to put God above all things worldly?

Molly, voting is something I struggle with, to find someone who seems to really have the national interest at heart, rather than either 'us' or 'them' as Labor and Liberal seem to have. Then there are the single issue parties, or the whackos like Greens and Democrats (yes, I consider them whacko's I'm afraid)

For information on 'what would Jesus do', refer the New Testament :)
I'm happy to discuss what he actually did, as opposed to some sentimental 'urban myth' approach.

Xena, did you even READ the last sentence in my last post ? ummm.. I doubt it. If I disagree with Teresa, why the problem ? I dont recall actually condemning your view on this thread since your last post did I ? But I can clearly see your rather mocking condemnation of those who believe in Creation, in fact you hold us up to public ridicule here. Have a close look at your post about it, and check out that last line of my previous one.

I'll catch your reply to my other post on the detention centres thread.
take care all

David you say that Howard 'seems' to be offering what you think is the Christian way but it seems to me and others including a great many Christians, that he does not emplemplify Christian values at all. How can you be sure that your Christianity is better than theirs?

Your comment that to be a Christian one needs to talk more about Christ is your version of what it means to be a Christian. A Christian person that I do admire suggested that he keeps his religion and politics separate because that is what Jesus did.

It surely is a useful exercise to think about what Jesus would do rather than just to read about what he did - as set down by a few of his disciples.